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  1. #1 China Nuclear Screw up.Nuclear Explosion Suspected at Epicenter of the Earthquake 
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    Nuclear Explosion Suspected at Epicenter of the Sichuan Earthquake
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    An unnamed expert believes that a nuclear explosion caused the recent 8.0 magnitude Sichuan earthquake in China, where three weeks after the catastrophe the death toll has reached 69,000 plus.

    Overseas Chinese website Boxun News reported that the expert confirmed there was a nuclear explosion near the epicenter, based on witness reports and the discovery of concrete rubble believed to have come from an underground military installation.

    Mr. He, a local resident, stated that when the earthquake occurred on May 12, people saw something erupt from the top of a mountain next to the valley, "It looked like toothpaste being squeezed out," said He. "No, it wasn't [magma]. It was these concrete pieces. The eruption lasted about three minutes."

    According to a China News Services (CNS) report on May 31, 2008, paramedics from People's Liberation Army (PLA) hospitals and psychologists from Beijing onsite May 23 found concrete debris at the bottom of a valley near the epicenter. The half-mile-wide valley was covered with debris 10 - 20 inches thick, covering the valley floor for almost 1.5 miles.

    No major construction was occurring in the area at the time of the earthquake.

    The thickness of the concrete pieces seemed to match that used in China's underground military bases, according to Boxun's expert. He explained that while there are documented cases that earthquakes cause volcanic eruptions, there are no accounts of eruptions ejecting concrete.

    Based on the CNS report and timing of the eruption at the scene, there seemed to be no evidence of natural volcanic activity. The expert stated he was certain a nuclear weapon explosion shattered the underground concrete structures, hurling debris into the air.

    At least one of China's nuclear military bases is located in Mianyang City, Sichuan, near the epicenter.

    Chinese Internet surfers commented that right after the quake military Special Forces blocked traffic heading toward the epicenter on the mountain, and men in white chemical protective clothing in military vehicles were also spotted driving toward the mountain. Rescue personnel near the epicenter were all military, according to witnesses.

    The expert believes the nuclear explosion was not confined to the underground test area and has caused radiation contamination, stating that in a call to Beijing he recommended authorities accept help from other countries, seal the area, find and provide help to those who had been exposed to contamination during the rescue work, and take emergency measures to prevent water contamination.


    http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-6-3/71353.html
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    I'll bet China will be low on Nuclear weapons for a long time becauise of this.They had a major Nuclear storage vault in the area and it must have been under this mountain.There have been reports of extreme Nuclear radiation release from the area !If there has been heavy Nuclear leakage this could be China's Chernobyl !
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    I feel confident in saying that if this really had been a nuclear explosion, most of the world would be aware of it. Radiation is pretty hard to keep secret.
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    Unnamed expert. Oooooookay. Richter Scale readings here in the States or in Japan confirm that? Remember ‘Bad-Hair-Dude’s" dud? That pop was detected and its resonance was confirmed as a non-nuclear event, other than simply being a dirty bomb in a cave. The Earth’s crust is like a large bell and these things are a bit hard to hide - even with the rumblings of a earthquake immediately afterward. It could happen - just not likely.
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    This reeks of conspiracy theory. But the fact that China won't say boo will just feed the moonbats.
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    I surprised DU hasn't connected this with eeeeeeeevil Bushilter!!! :D
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    Was China's earthquake triggered by a nuclear accident? "With darwings at the site !"

    Though I haven't seen this possibility mentioned anywhere, I'm certain that the folks at Fort Meade have spent a fair amount of time and effort trying to get a definitive answer to that question.

    When I saw a map showing how close China's supersecret main complex for making nuclear warhead fuel — codenamed Plant 821 — is to the May 12 magnitude 7.9 earthquake's ground zero, accompanying William J. Broad's May 16, 2008 New York Times story about Western efforts to monitor possible radiation leakage as a result of the quake, I couldn't help but turn cause and effect around and wonder, what if?

    More from Broad's article: "Closer to the epicenter of the quake that struck Monday is Mianyang [top], a science city whose outskirts house the primary laboratory for the design of Chinese nuclear arms. It is considered the Chinese equal to Los Alamos.

    "Nuclear experts said that closer to the epicenter of the earthquake, in rugged hills a two-hour drive west of Mianyang, China runs a highly secretive center that houses a prompt-burst reactor. It mimics the rush of speeding subatomic particles that an exploding atom bomb spews out in its first microseconds.

    "North in an even more rugged and inaccessible region, nuclear experts said, China maintains a hidden complex of large tunnels in the side of a mountain where it stores nuclear arms.

    "This area is now under the earthquake formed lake flooding the storage tunnels .They are very anxious to drain the lake and recover the nukes !"


    "'It's very close to the epicenter,'

    http://www.bookofjoe.com/2008/05/was-chinas-eart.html

    Mianyang Map — Satellite Images of Mianyang
    original name: Mianyang
    geographical location: Santai, Sichuan, China, Asia
    geographical coordinates: 31° 28' 0" North, 104° 46' 0" East

    detailed map of Mianyang and near places
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    http://www.maplandia.com/china/sichuan/santai/mianyang/
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    Don't know about an explosion but there definately is a radiation problem according to the below internal news flash received this morning at the company that I work for. I've Xed out the company name because not sure if this information should be public.

    June 5, 2008
    No. 21 FLASH
    XXXXXXXX Rapidly Responds To China EPA’s Request For
    Radiation Detection Equipment At Earthquake Site …
    XXXXXXXX recently received an urgent request from the China EPA for radiation detection
    equipment to assist in locating and assessing radioactive sources at the site of the disastrous
    earthquake that jolted southwestern China’s Sichuan Province on Monday, May 12. The China EPA
    had an immediate need for fi ve XXXXXXXX UUUUUU VVV units. XXXXXXX operations responded
    instantly by accelerating units already in the pipeline. Five units were identifi ed and sent through
    staging. The order was packed and ready to ship while the paper work was making its way through
    EPA administration. Additionally, in response to the emergency, we also expedited several other
    orders that were in the backlog for gamma spec and other equipment. XXXXXXXX’s rep in China
    is currently working with the China EPA to identify and fulfi ll additional radiation detection needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    Don't know about an explosion but there definately is a radiation problem according to the below internal news flash received this morning at the company that I work for. I've Xed out the company name because not sure if this information should be public.
    June 5, 2008
    No. 21 FLASH
    XXXXXXXX Rapidly Responds To China EPA’s Request For
    Radiation Detection Equipment At Earthquake Site …

    XXXXXXXX recently received an urgent request from the China EPA for radiation detection
    equipment to assist in locating and assessing radioactive sources at the site of the disastrous
    earthquake that jolted southwestern China’s Sichuan Province on Monday, May 12.
    The China EPA had an immediate need for fi ve XXXXXXXX UUUUUU VVV units. XXXXXXX operations responded instantly by accelerating units already in the pipeline.
    Five units were identifi ed and sent through
    staging. The order was packed and ready to ship while the paper work was making its way through
    EPA administration. Additionally, in response to the emergency, we also expedited several other
    orders that were in the backlog for gamma spec and other equipment. XXXXXXXX’s rep in China
    is currently working with the China EPA to identify and fulfi ll additional radiation detection needs.


    Lessons from Chernobyl
    "Responding to an explosion that awoke them at 1:23 a.m. on April 26, 1986, six firefighters stormed up more than 250 feet of exterior stairway and stared into the glowing face of the nuclear genie released just over four decades earlier. Within two weeks, all were dead."


    There is a big difference between the radiation intensity of weapons grade Plutonium and reactor grade nuclear fuel.All of China's nuclear materal stored in bunkers in their storage caves is
    underwater and is of weapons grade and highly radioactive ,

    Water and nuclear warheads don't go well together !!


    In addition to 12,000 land vehicles, a variety of Soviet helicopters
    had to be decommissioned after being irradiated during the Chernobyl disaster response.

    The Chernobyl epitaph :

    The accident
    On April 26 1986 at 1:23:58 am local time, the fourth reactor of the Chernobyl power plant - known as
    Chernobyl-4 - suffered a catastrophic nuclear meltdown that resulted in a series of explosions and fire.

    The catastrophe is attributed to a flawed reactor design and mistakes made by the plant operators,
    who violated procedures intended to ensure safe operation of the plant. As at Three Mile Island,
    a secondary factor contributing to the accident was the fact that plant operators were insufficiently
    trained and unfamiliar with many characteristics of the reactor.

    Several procedural irregularities contributed to the cause of the accident. One was insufficient
    communication between the safety officers and the operators in charge of an experiment being run
    that night. Moreover, because of insufficient training, the operators had only a very imperfect
    understanding of how the reactor worked under the low amount of reactivity caused by the experiment.

    Many of the reactor's engineering features, such as the dangerously large positive void coefficient
    (see below), were virtually treated as military secrets, and the operators were unaware of them.
    In addition, several safety systems were bypassed and ignored in order to conduct the experiment.

    The reactor was undergoing an experiment to test the electrical backup supply which allows the
    reactor to run safely during a power loss. The power output of the reactor was reduced from its
    normal capacity of 3.2 to 1 GW in order to conduct the test at a safer, low power. The actual
    power output fell to 30 MW, however, allowing the concentration of the neutron absorbing fission
    product xenon-135 to rise; this product is typically consumed in a reactor under higher power
    conditions. As the operators attempted to restore the power to the desired 1 GW, the concentration
    of Xenon-135 limited the power output to around 200 MW.

    In order to overcome the neutron absorption of the Xenon-135, the control rods were pulled out of the reactor farther than normally allowed under safety regulations.

    As the coolant flow was decreased, the coolant was heated rapidly so that much of it began to boil.
    As the coolant heated, pockets of steam formed in the coolant lines. The particular design of the
    RBMK graphite moderated reactor at Chernobyl has a large positive void coefficient, which means
    that the power of the reactor increases rapidly in the absence of the coolant.

    As the power output rapidly increased the operators attempted to shut down the reactor by ordering an emergency manual "scram"--or rapid full insertion of the control rods.

    However due to the slow speed of the control rod insertion mechanism, the graphite tips of the rods and the temporary displacement of coolant the scram actually caused the reaction rate to increase.

    Within seconds the reactor jumped to around 30 GW, ten times the normal operational output.

    The fuel rods began to melt and the steam pressure rapidly increased causing a large explosion, displacing and destroying the reactor lid, rupturing the coolant tubes and then blowing a hole in the roof.

    When outside air contacted the graphite moderator of the core, the graphite began to burn. The fire dispersed most of the radioactive contamination.

    To reduce costs, and because of its large size, the reactor only had partial containment. This
    allowed the radioactive contaminants to escape into the atmosphere after the steam explosion
    burst the primary pressure vessel. After part of the roof blew off, the inrush of oxygen combined
    with the extremely high temperature of the reactor fuel and graphite moderator sparked a graphite
    fire. This fire greatly contributed to the spread of radioactive material.

    http://www.indopedia.org/Chernobyl_accident.html
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