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  1. #1 'Patriot Groups' = Extremist Threat Sez SPLC 
    Fearmongering at the SPLC
    Jesse Walker | March 3, 2010

    The Southern Poverty Law Center, which would paint a box of Wheaties as an extremist threat if it thought that would help it raise funds, has issued a new "inteligence report" announcing that "an astonishing 363 new Patriot groups appeared in 2009, with the totals going from 149 groups (including 42 militias) to 512 (127 of them militias) -- a 244% jump." To illustrate how dangerous these groups are, the Center cites some recent arrests of right-wing figures for planning or carrying out violent attacks. But it doesn't demonstrate that any of the arrestees were a part of the Patriot milieu, and indeed it includes some cases involving racist skinheads, who are another movement entirely.

    As far as the SPLC is concerned, though, skinheads and Birchers and Glenn Beck fans are all tied together in one big ball of scary. The group delights in finding tenuous ties between the tendencies it tracks, then describing its discoveries in as ominous a tone as possible. For example:

    Last year also experienced levels of cross-pollination between different sectors of the radical right not seen in years. Nativist activists increasingly adopted the ideas of the Patriots; racist rants against Obama and others coursed through the Patriot movement; and conspiracy theories involving the government appeared in all kinds of right-wing venues. A good example is the upcoming Second Amendment March in Washington, D.C. The website promoting the march is topped by a picture of a colonial militiaman, and key supporters include Larry Pratt, a long-time militia enthusiast with connections to white supremacists, and Richard Mack, a conspiracy-mongering former sheriff associated with the Patriot group Oath Keepers.
    Yes, this is their "good example." I trust I do not need to explain why it is not alarming for a Second Amendment march to deploy some Revolutionary War iconography. Larry Pratt is the head of Gun Owners of America, so his involvement in a gun rights protest shouldn't be surprising. Richard Mack is a longtime gun activist as well (he was one of the plaintiffs in Printz v. United States, in which the Supreme Court struck down some interim provisions of the Brady Act), and he was as prone to spouting conspiracy theories in the '90s as he is today. Whatever links Pratt and Mack may have to other groups -- and for the record, I have yet to be convinced by the efforts to portray Pratt as a white supremacist -- their presence at the demonstration is hardly a sign that this "cross-pollination" is on the rise. Those two have been players in the gun movement for years, and groups like the SPLC were saying the exact same things about them a decade and a half ago.
    This kind of thing makes me want to join the John Birch Society just to pump up the numbers.

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    If Tea Party groups and town hall attendees are "extremist," that would mean that the name callers (DUmmyRATS, "progressives",etc) in the idiot camp believe the founding documents to be extremist.
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    It's not fair to put the John Birch Society in the same category as the militias, but it is fair to see that there are potential threats within the militia movement. Timothy McVeigh and the crazy Nichols brothers are proof of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It's not fair to put the John Birch Society in the same category as the militias, but it is fair to see that there are potential threats within the militia movement. Timothy McVeigh and the crazy Nichols brothers are proof of that.
    Here we go.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It's not fair to put the John Birch Society in the same category as the militias, but it is fair to see that there are potential threats within the militia movement. Timothy McVeigh and the crazy Nichols brothers are proof of that.
    They were a threat to be sure but no less a threat than the present gov't. The goals are the same but the Progressives in charge are doing more harm to the welfare and existence of our country than a group of armed morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Here we go.....
    Don't pay any attention to Sooner/Nooner,its just an automatic response when her Liberal knee start twitching.She likes to jump in quick and set the scene for her Liberal/Progressive talking points.When she gets going she's like the Devil with her Green dress on ! :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Don't pay any attention to Sooner/Nooner,its just an automatic response when her Liberal knee start twitching.She likes to jump in quick and set the scene for her Liberal/Progressive talking points.When she gets going she's like the Devil with her Green dress on ! :D


    Are you saying that there are no threats to national security within the militia movement? Or are you saying the Timothy McVeigh and the Nichols brothers were not connected with the militia movement?

    It's good to know that a terrorist attack on a federal building is really just a "liberal talking point". It gives us so much less to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Are you saying that there are no threats to national security within the militia movement? Or are you saying the Timothy McVeigh and the Nichols brothers were not connected with the militia movement?

    It's good to know that a terrorist attack on a federal building is really just a "liberal talking point". It gives us so much less to worry about.
    In the last year it has been ISLAMIST groups who have planned and in a couple of cases carried out attacks. But stupid liberals see the militias and Tea Party as a threat. I'll be willing to bet you any fucking thing you want that the next terror attack will more than likely be Islamists and not militia or Tea Party as will the one after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
    In the last year it has been ISLAMIST groups who have planned and in a couple of cases carried out attacks. But stupid liberals see the militias and Tea Party as a threat. I'll be willing to bet you any fucking thing you want that the next terror attack will more than likely be Islamists and not militia or Tea Party as will the one after that.

    My point is that the militia movement is separate from the Tea Party people and the John Birch Society. I wasn't pitting the risk of attack by homegrown terrorists against the threat of Islamacist terrorists. Of course, the latter is a more immediate threat and requires more resources to track, but ignoring domestic threats isn't a good policy, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Don't pay any attention to Sooner/Nooner,its just an automatic response when her Liberal knee start twitching.She likes to jump in quick and set the scene for her Liberal/Progressive talking points.When she gets going she's like the Devil with her Green dress on ! :D
    Any good Detroiter knows the Devil has a BLUE dress on. :p

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