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    Losing In Fall OK With Democrats If It Means They Win Health Care

    By MARK STEYN
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    So there was President Obama giving his bazillionth speech on health care, droning yet again that "now is the hour when we must seize the moment," the same moment he's been seizing every day of the week for the past year, only this time his genius photo-op guys thought it would look good to have him surrounded by men in white coats.

    Why is he doing this? Why let "health" "care" "reform" stagger on like the rotting husk in a low-grade creature feature who refuses to stay dead no matter how many stakes you pound through his chest?

    Because it's worth it. Big time. I've been saying in this space for two years that the governmentalization of health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture.

    It redefines the relationship between the citizen and the state in fundamental ways that make limited government all but impossible.

    In most of the rest of the Western world, there are still nominally "conservative" parties, and they even win elections occasionally, but not to any great effect. (Let's not forget that Jacques Chirac was, in French terms, a "conservative.") The result is a kind of two-party one-party state:

    Right-of-center parties will once in a while be in office, but never in power, merely presiding over vast left-wing bureaucracies that cruise on regardless.

    Republicans seem to have difficulty grasping this basic dynamic.
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    And he's very right.

    Now a question I have is, if for some reason this bill gets approved, can a Republican President with a good republican majority overturn this? Like with an executive order?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    And he's very right.

    Now a question I have is, if for some reason this bill gets approved, can a Republican President with a good republican majority overturn this? Like with an executive order?
    A President cannot overturn it with an Executive Order. A Republican President and Congress could overturn it by Congress passing a bill overturning it and the President signing it into law.

    Will they? I have no reason to have confidence that they will. We still have social security, medicaid, medicare and all the other entitlement programs and bureaucracies the progressives created. Why would this be any different.

    If this passes, we are screwed. Pure and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampfox View Post
    A President cannot overturn it with an Executive Order. A Republican President and Congress could overturn it by Congress passing a bill overturning it and the President signing it into law.

    Will they? I have no reason to have confidence that they will. We still have social security, medicaid, medicare and all the other entitlement programs and bureaucracies the progressives created. Why would this be any different.

    If this passes, we are screwed. Pure and simple.
    None of those programs put the governments fingers into 1/5th of the US economy though. I'm remaining cautiously optimistic that this bill will not pass, but we gotta be ready to force our Reps and Senators to overturn this as soon as possible if it does go through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampfox View Post
    A President cannot overturn it with an Executive Order. A Republican President and Congress could overturn it by Congress passing a bill overturning it and the President signing it into law.

    Will they? I have no reason to have confidence that they will. We still have social security, medicaid, medicare and all the other entitlement programs and bureaucracies the progressives created. Why would this be any different.

    If this passes, we are screwed. Pure and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    None of those programs put the governments fingers into 1/5th of the US economy though.
    By the time the Republicans got in power the bureaucracy would be too big. You might get some reforms, but they wouldn't get rid of the system.

    Hell, it's the Republicans that keep complaining that one of the ways the Democrats are going to "pay for" this health care monstrosity is cuts to medicare.

    Think about that.
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    If this passes, I'm thinking about getting funding together for a floating barge in the middle of the Pacific with a hospital on it where patients can fly in and have their procedures done outside the jurisdiction of all this socialized medicine. I think the stakes are that high.

    I'm only half kidding about that. Half kidding because I wouldn't know where to get the funds together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampfox View Post
    If this passes, I'm thinking about getting funding together for a floating barge in the middle of the Pacific with a hospital on it where patients can fly in and have their procedures done outside the jurisdiction of all this socialized medicine. I think the stakes are that high.

    I'm only half kidding about that. Half kidding because I wouldn't know where to get the funds together.
    Mexico will become wealthy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Mexico will become wealthy!
    Mexico and Panama have quite a few specialist that have trained in the US. The cost of an operation is 1/3 to 1/2 less than in the US. Panama has a world class hospital in Panama City (John Hopkins). A gringo can buy insurance for less than a hundred bucks a month there.

    If this health care bill monstrosity passes, moving to either one of those countries is a possibility.
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