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    Sonnabend
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    There is such a place as Palestine and it has been on maps since around 150 to 200 A.D. Would you like for me to prove this to you once and for all or do you want to continue to propagate this fiction?
    Go right ahead.

    Show me on a modern map (not less than 12 months old) and show me the exact place that says "Palestine".

    ON A MAP.

    I dont give a shit what a map said in 200AD...in 200 AD the map didn't have more than 3/4 of the world on it.

    On a MODERN DAY MAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    Go right ahead.

    Show me on a modern map (not less than 12 months old) and show me the exact place that says "Palestine".

    ON A MAP.

    I dont give a shit what a map said in 200AD...in 200 AD the map didn't have more than 3/4 of the world on it.

    On a MODERN DAY MAP.
    I had an instant messenger conversation with a Kuwaiti of student age. While there was no venom in the conversation it is clear from it that the cause of the "Palestinians" is a chimera, a fake cause.

    K+Converstion with Kuwaiti
    Kuwaiti(07:53:52 PM): Lol, theyre like the radical jews, the ottoman empire occupied the place when jews arent there, so literally they left the place, after the fall of the ottoman empire there was the mufti of jerusalem (muslim) who had british mandate, when ww2 ended, and jews came along and settled the place, british mandate backed off and jews attacked palestinian people and took the land
    Kuwaiti(07:54:27 PM): long story short, they invaded palestine
    JBG (07:56:03 PM): I see it differently. The Ottomans physically ruled but, not having the resources to develop sold teh land to the Jews
    JBG (07:56:27 PM): The Jews made it a garden spot but the Arabs don't want any non-arabs there
    Kuwaiti(07:56:53 PM): the ottomans were muslim
    JBG (07:57:16 PM): I know. they had the rule ove the land but no people for it
    Kuwaiti(07:57:37 PM): palestinians
    Kuwaiti(07:58:02 PM): it was a city
    JBG (07:58:03 PM): there actually weren't very many there
    Kuwaiti(07:58:45 PM): its the most precious land in the world religion wise
    JBG (08:04:57 PM): I just wonder given how little land Israel has why they can't be left alone
    Kuwaiti(08:06:00 PM): one of the three holy sites in islam is in jerusalem
    Kuwaiti(08:06:44 PM): the two state solution is fine for me
    JBG (08:09:03 PM): but Israel lets the Muslims use it freely. not so the other way around
    Kuwaiti(08:09:26 PM): nope they dont let them use it freely
    Kuwaiti(08:09:36 PM): its burned since when?
    Kuwaiti(08:10:04 PM): the jews burned the mosque inside out
    JBG (08:10:13 PM): if you wanted to go there yocertainly could
    Kuwaiti(08:10:30 PM): Lol proof?
    Kuwaiti(08:10:42 PM): wait
    Kuwaiti(08:10:43 PM): no
    Kuwaiti(08:11:38 PM): they cud use it freely but NOT for palestine
    Kuwaiti(08:11:51 PM): and im not sure if thats true^
    JBG (08:12:14 PM): When Jordan and Egypt had certain lands they certainly didn't turn it over to the palestinians
    Kuwaiti(08:13:15 PM): jordan trys to control the west bank but egypt? wth?
    Kuwaiti(08:13:51 PM): what did egypt do?
    JBG (08:13:53 PM): gaza
    Kuwaiti(08:13:58 PM): no
    Kuwaiti(08:14:02 PM): they AID gaza
    JBG (08:14:12 PM): they had gaza 1948-67
    Kuwaiti(08:16:12 PM): arabs are against israel not thereselves
    JBG (08:17:14 PM): so what you're sayingis Arab rule for Palestinians is OK but notJewish rule?
    Kuwaiti(08:17:54 PM): muslim arab rule yes.
    Kuwaiti(08:19:30 PM): if theyre the same why the arabs couldnt rule
    Kuwaiti(08:19:33 PM): ?
    JBG (08:19:57 PM): if they're the same why can't Palestinians be absorbed into other Arab countryies?
    Kuwaiti(08:20:36 PM): its an islamic holy site we wouldnt let it go without a fight to our death
    JBG (08:21:39 PM): but when the Arabs held the holy sites before June 1967 they still felt it necessary to right Israel to the death for some reason
    Kuwaiti(08:22:18 PM): right israel to the death? what do u mean
    JBG (08:22:28 PM): Fight I mean

    JBG (08:22:32 PM): compt is freezing
    Kuwaiti(08:22:59 PM): Lol
    Kuwaiti(08:23:13 PM): theres masjid al aqsa and the dome of the rock
    Kuwaiti(08:23:20 PM): theyre both different
    Kuwaiti(08:23:33 PM): masjid il aqsa is forbidden to use
    JBG (08:23:43 PM): those were both under Muslim control pre-1967
    Kuwaiti(08:23:44 PM): its what we want
    Kuwaiti(08:23:55 PM): u mean 1948
    JBG (08:24:31 PM): no between 1948 and 1967
    Kuwaiti(08:25:05 PM): No between those dates, israel declared itself a state
    Kuwaiti(08:25:32 PM): and palestines city was quickly set up to be gaza
    JBG (08:26:08 PM): but the State of Israel didn't inclue Al Aksa or the Dome of the Rock
    Kuwaiti(08:26:17 PM): ooooh u mean the west bank
    Kuwaiti(08:26:23 PM): i thought u said palestine
    Kuwaiti(08:26:55 PM): 1948-1967 it was controlled by jordan
    JBG (08:28:16 PM): right and jordan still felt the need to attack Israel in 1967
    JBG (08:28:28 PM): thus costing those areas Muslim control
    Kuwaiti(08:29:38 PM): it was in muslim control king hussein wanted to reapproch with peace for israel to develop
    JBG (08:30:34 PM): How hard is it for Muslim worshipers now to go to the Dome of the Rock or Al Aksa mosque?
    Kuwaiti(08:31:57 PM): well now its in jewish control and muslims do not want to go to israel and the al aqsa mosque is burned down nobody can pray there
    JBG (08:32:41 PM): when did it burn down?
    JBG (08:33:19 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aqsa_Mosque
    JBG (08:35:56 PM): when did it burn?
    Kuwaiti(08:36:05 PM): hold on
    Kuwaiti(08:37:05 PM): nope it was a threat sorry http://www.imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=56670
    JBG (08:38:04 PM): anyone who threatens a place of worship deserves their own place in hell
    Kuwaiti(08:38:26 PM): well its still under threat
    Kuwaiti(08:39:06 PM): "Yet, Israel ignored the resolution as it did with every single resolution regarding the Palestinian-Israeli and Arab-Israeli conflict."
    JBG (08:39:12 PM): I guess areas like Sdirot are not under threat of missle attacks
    Kuwaiti(08:39:48 PM): iran knows the weakpoints of israel
    Kuwaiti(08:40:52 PM): In 1979, a group of 40 extremist Jews attempted to break into the mosque and yet they were all acquitted by an Israeli court.
    Kuwaiti(08:41:39 PM): you can see why arabs wouldnt desire a jewish rule
    JBG (08:44:53 PM): but how many jews are allowed to live in kuwait?
    Kuwaiti(08:45:09 PM): a trillion
    Kuwaiti(08:45:23 PM): but there is as little as 30 jews
    Kuwaiti(08:45:29 PM): i guess
    Kuwaiti(08:45:53 PM): but the record i know of is 300 jews in 1920
    Kuwaiti(08:51:05 PM): r u a jew?
    JBG (08:51:42 PM): yes
    Kuwaiti(08:51:55 PM): hah i knew it
    JBG (08:52:17 PM): I respect Islam and I hope you respect Judaism
    Kuwaiti(08:52:28 PM): I do
    JBG (08:53:06 PM): And I wish more Muslims ad an open mind abotu Israel. As allies we cold be powerful
    Kuwaiti(08:53:54 PM): both are showing bad examples, i hope that happens
    JBG (08:54:17 PM): But I want peace, not a houdna
    Kuwaiti(08:54:32 PM): houdna?
    JBG (08:55:06 PM): look it up. it's the temporary peace Mohamed gave to reload and re-arm
    Kuwaiti(08:57:18 PM): situation is, currently palestine is heading for one state solution, but considering 2 state solution , iran can back both solutions for the palestinians
    JBG (08:58:20 PM): you mean getting rid of Israel for one state?
    Kuwaiti(08:58:29 PM): yep
    JBG (08:59:04 PM): why would you or any people of good will want that?
    Kuwaiti(08:59:11 PM): palestine is the brain and iran is the muscles
    Kuwaiti(08:59:23 PM): i ddnt say i wanted that
    Kuwaiti(09:00:06 PM): Kuwaiti(04:06:44 AM): the two state solution is fine for me
    Kuwaiti(09:00:16 PM): i posted that earlier
    JBG (09:01:40 PM): oh ok
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