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    Do you guys think we should keep the VA or get rid of it? It's a socialistic system, and obviously, no form of socialistic organization has any place in America--so should we get rid of the VA? And if so, how should veterans be compensated for their service? Or should they receive no compensation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    Do you guys think we should keep the VA or get rid of it? It's a socialistic system, and obviously, no form of socialistic organization has any place in America--so should we get rid of the VA? And if so, how should veterans be compensated for their service? Or should they receive no compensation?
    This is part of the military. The military is not socialist. This has been explained to you on several occasions in several ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    This is part of the military. The military is not socialist. This has been explained to you on several occasions in several ways.
    The VA is a department with cabinet level status, the secretary of which is appointed by the President and confirmed by Congress, similar to the members of other departments like Social Security, HUD, etc...Doesn't sound like a military organization, but a government run organization designed to benefit members of the military. For example, when searching for military veteran's medical records in terms of their their treatment, treatment at a VA Hospital and a Military Hospital are two separate record centers. I went through this recently with my grandfather in that his active duty records, where he was treated at military hospitals during WWII, were a completely separate organization and method of recovery than his post war VA hospital records.
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    The VA is not a socialist program. It is a benefit offered to Veterans that EARNED it. If it was socialist it would be opened to everyone whether you earned it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    This is part of the military. The military is not socialist. This has been explained to you on several occasions in several ways.
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    The VA is not a socialist program. It is a benefit offered to Veterans that EARNED it. If it was socialist it would be opened to everyone whether you earned it or not.
    So then is Social Security socialist? I mean you pay into it with your taxes for most if not all of your working career--thus getting benefits in return.

    What about Medicare? I'd say making it to old age is pretty remarkable even in post modern age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    So then is Social Security socialist? I mean you pay into it with your taxes for most if not all of your working career--thus getting benefits in return.

    What about Medicare? I'd say making it to old age is pretty remarkable even in post modern age.
    Yes, I believe that Social Security is socialist and if it was up to me and I could opt out of it, I would. I could do a hell of alot better managing my own money than letting Social Security have it. And don't comeback with something stupid like I could deny my benefits or whatever. I paid my money into it, I want it back.
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    Drawing comparions between SS, Medicare, the VA and the proposed health insurance reform is a false analogy.

    Veterans have earned care at the VA by virtue of their military service and SS and Medicare recipients have earned their participation in those programs by virtue of having paid into them for all their working lives. Those who would benefit by health insurance reform have done nothing to earn it but breathe.
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    The government funds and operates the military because that is one of the functions of the government that is clearly defined in the Constitution. So any compensation for military service is just that, compensation.

    Social Security is another thing altogether. I have not seen anywhere where the Constitution states the government should take care of the elderly. SS is sold as an account that you pay into, but it's really a tax on the working population to take care of the retired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaughtintheMiddle1990 View Post
    Do you guys think we should keep the VA or get rid of it? It's a socialistic system, and obviously, no form of socialistic organization has any place in America--so should we get rid of the VA? And if so, how should veterans be compensated for their service? Or should they receive no compensation?
    Hint: The VA is to the GI who served our nation what Workman's Compensation and unemployment insurance is to the klutz who hurts himself on the job or gets laid off because he can't carry his load.

    SS was FDR's ponzi scheme. Workman's Compensation is a penalty tax on employers. BTW, that tax increases with every employee laid off - that's why it's a penalty tax against employers.

    So....let's get rid of all of 'em, and let the chips lay where they fall!

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    Social Security is a socialist organization;

    People who have NEVER worked are given Social Security Disability and/or Supplemantal Security Income benefits. This is a HAND OUT, not earned.


    The VA is earned, some benefits are given to all Veterans some benefits have additional qualifications, but ALL VA benefits are earned.
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