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    Poll shows vets back energy bill; cite national security

    Four out of five veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan think the U.S. would be more secure if the nation were weaned off foreign oil, according to the results of a poll released Tuesday.

    The study, conducted by Lake Research Partners in February, also found that 64 percent of the surveyed veterans believe U.S. dependence on foreign energy endangers the lives of our troops by helping funnel money to hostile forces in oil-producing regions.

    The survey was commissioned by VoteVets.org, a group that has backed work in Congress to pass broad energy and climate change legislation. It comes as a group of senators try to finish writing a new version of the bill that promotes domestic oil and gas production and nuclear power as well as caps on greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

    Jon Soltz, an Iraq War veteran and the chairman of VoteVets.org, said the survey confirms that "veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan know first-hand the destructive effect our dependence on oil has on our national security and on the battlefield."

    Among the findings:

    73 percent favor a "comprehensive clean energy and climate bill that invests in clean, renewable energy sources in America and limits carbon pollution." That cuts across all branches of the military and both political parties.

    62 percent of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans believe that if climate change legislation were to pass, the amount of oil the U.S. buys from hostile nations would be reduced.

    56 percent say that would translate to less funding for and support that oil-producing countries provide to terrorists.

    A plurality don't believe that the passage of climate change legislation would translate to fewer troops deployed in unstable oil-producing regions of the world. 47 percent believe a new climate change law would not affect troop deployment in those areas, compared to 43 percent who do.

    Pollster Celinda Lake said the survey is unusual because it drills down to a relatively small portion of the U.S. population -- an "enormously expensive" process that requires different sampling techniques than used for more general surveys. The data has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percent, and the sample included 45 percent self-identified Republicans, 25 percent independents and 20 percent Democrats.
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    I'd like to see how the poll was put forward to these people... almost sounds like it led them into these answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    I'd like to see how the poll was put forward to these people... almost sounds like it led them into these answers.
    They would do that?:mad:
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    Well of the 300 or so people at my work center, I can't think of a single one who would say that passing the cap and trade bill would help curb terrorism. So it really sounds to me like it was a "string of conclusions" led alon to the pollee's.
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    As a retired Veteran who works side by side with Soldiers everyday I'm not at all surprised by the results of this poll. Soldiers opinions encourage me.

    Who doesn't believe this statement?

    U.S. dependence on foreign energy endangers the lives of our troops by helping funnel money to hostile forces in oil-producing regions.
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    Everybody probably sees foreign oil dependence as counter-productive but it's a false dilemma to conclude that government-backed alternative energy is the answer.

    I wonder what the poll would have shown if the question was, "Should the United States develop its own oil and coal resources to decrease our dependence on Middle Eastern oil?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Everybody probably sees foreign oil dependence as counter-productive but it's a false dilemma to conclude that government-backed alternative energy is the answer.

    I wonder what the poll would have shown if the question was, "Should the United States develop its own oil and coal resources to decrease our dependence on Middle Eastern oil?"
    Not "the answer" but one part of finding a solution. Check this out http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/01/17...re-than-power/
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    Quote Originally Posted by M21 View Post
    Not "the answer" but one part of finding a solution. Check this out http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/01/17...re-than-power/
    Energy produced by Solar, Ethanol and Wind is very expensive and if the government did not heavly subsidize these greenie companies they would go bust. Nautral gas is the most promising part of the solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    Energy produced by Solar, Ethanol and Wind is very expensive and if the government did not heavly subsidize these greenie companies they would go bust. Nautral gas is the most promising part of the solution.
    Did you read the article?
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    Quote Originally Posted by M21 View Post
    Did you read the article?
    YES. The government has the ability to make anything cost effective when it provides the up front costs. Now, that money does not fall from the sky; it comes out of our taxes.
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