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    Default 04-21-2010, 04:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    a Marine transport vessel. Personally if I was a Marine I'd refuse to board that vessel even if it got me court marshaled
    I don't think i'd go that far if I was still in. Marines do their job, no matter how nasty, hard, or painful it is to complete we go 110% until the job is done. There's a whole lot of pride that comes with practicing the theory of mission accomplishment above and beyond troop welfare. I wouldn't refuse to do my job over the name of a ship. I would, however, take every opportunity possible to soil the name and memory of the man behind of the name of the ship. Too bad we don't now have a U.S.S. James Mattis, that would have been a much better name for a ship.
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    Default 04-23-2010, 02:49 AM
    Sometimes, I don't understand you people. Isn't our country supposed to be about "freedom of speech"?

    It is also my understanding that he served honorably in the Marine Corps.

    Perhaps the "blood and guts" he saw in war changed his mind and he decided to not support the war.

    He has passed from this life and I don't think it is fair to talk about him in this manner when he is not here to defend himself.

    May he resst in peace! Semper Fi.
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    Default 04-23-2010, 03:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by nativityofthetheotokos View Post
    Sometimes, I don't understand you people. Isn't our country supposed to be about "freedom of speech"?

    It is also my understanding that he served honorably in the Marine Corps.

    Perhaps the "blood and guts" he saw in war changed his mind and he decided to not support the war.

    He has passed from this life and I don't think it is fair to talk about him in this manner when he is not here to defend himself.

    May he resst in peace! Semper Fi.
    Have you ever been in the Service? If not, I can understand your confusion. Liberals like Clinton, Obama and many Democrats despise the military. Murtha turned into one of those despicable left wing characters by falsely accusing our troops of murder. Someone that lies does not get a free get out of jail card when it comes to speech. I would not piss on his grave but I surely would not put any flowers on it.
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    Default 04-23-2010, 04:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by nativityofthetheotokos View Post
    Sometimes, I don't understand you people. Isn't our country supposed to be about "freedom of speech"?

    It is also my understanding that he served honorably in the Marine Corps.

    Perhaps the "blood and guts" he saw in war changed his mind and he decided to not support the war.

    He has passed from this life and I don't think it is fair to talk about him in this manner when he is not here to defend himself.

    May he resst in peace! Semper Fi.
    If he simply opposed the war, it would be cool.

    But- - he spent his last years in Congress accusing Marines of murder (wrongly, for the most part). He turned on his own.

    And for that, I totally understand the disgust from the USMC community.

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    Default 04-23-2010, 09:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by nativityofthetheotokos View Post
    Sometimes, I don't understand you people. Isn't our country supposed to be about "freedom of speech"?

    It is also my understanding that he served honorably in the Marine Corps.

    Perhaps the "blood and guts" he saw in war changed his mind and he decided to not support the war.

    He has passed from this life and I don't think it is fair to talk about him in this manner when he is not here to defend himself.

    May he resst in peace! Semper Fi.
    First, what do you mean by "you people?" Are you other than people?
    Second, we are exercising our right to that same "Freedom of Speech," comprende?

    Murtha became a detestible worm who happened to have been in the military. His lasting legacy is that of a lying bag of wind and I don't want to honor him or his memory. I will not attack him without provocation, but if you wish to pursue this topic on this site, you will get largely the same response regarding the Mothman.
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    Default 04-23-2010, 10:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by nativityofthetheotokos View Post
    Sometimes, I don't understand you people. Isn't our country supposed to be about "freedom of speech"?

    It is also my understanding that he served honorably in the Marine Corps.

    Perhaps the "blood and guts" he saw in war changed his mind and he decided to not support the war.

    He has passed from this life and I don't think it is fair to talk about him in this manner when he is not here to defend himself.

    May he resst in peace! Semper Fi.
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    Default 04-23-2010, 12:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by TruckerMe View Post
    I spent nine years in the navy, and this subject makes my heart bleed.

    Having a ship named after you is a big, big, deal. Great care has been taken in the past. For Example:

    USS Halsey DDG - 97. Named for Admiral Halsey.

    Admiral Halsey commanded the Pacific fleet during WWII. He was the last person to ever hold the Title "Fleet Admiral".

    A DDG is a fairly small warship. It is well armed and fast, and is an escort vessel, unlike an aircraft carrier or a cruiser, which are more important and themselves require escort vessels. In other words it is a sort of 2nd tier ship.

    Why such a small ship, and so long in getting a ship named after him?
    Admiral Halsey made a terrible, terrible mistake during WWII. And it may not have been his fault. There was a severe storm and he lost 3 destroyers and 790 men.
    http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq102-4.htm

    It took all this time to get a ship named after Admiral Halsey, and a disingenuous lightweight like MURTHA??!! gets mentioned? Even mentioned??!!
    Actually DDG-97 is the second warship to bear Admiral Halsey's name. The first one was a Leahy class Guided Missile Cruiser, CG-23. She was launched on 15 Jan 62 in San Fransisco and decomissioned on 28 Jan 94 in San Diego. I had the honor of serving aboard her from 1977 to 1981 as my first fleet duty assignment in the Navy.

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    Default 04-26-2010, 09:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by nativityofthetheotokos View Post
    Sometimes, I don't understand you people. Isn't our country supposed to be about "freedom of speech"?

    It is also my understanding that he served honorably in the Marine Corps.

    Perhaps the "blood and guts" he saw in war changed his mind and he decided to not support the war.

    He has passed from this life and I don't think it is fair to talk about him in this manner when he is not here to defend himself.

    May he resst in peace! Semper Fi.
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    Default 04-26-2010, 09:24 PM
    I think they should name a latrine after John Murtha. He shat on our soldiers, they should be able to shit on him.
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