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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post

    1. Impose rules on Mexico aimed at improving their working-poor class conditions. Mexicans wouldn't be flooding into America at such a high rate if they didn't feel an urgent need to. Mexico is a fairly rich nation, newly industrialized, and is only emerging faster as a new world power. However, they have enormous inequality that results in large populations of people living in poverty. The United States should pressure the government to do whatever it needs to do to reduce this dramatic inequality.
    What rules can we impose on a sovereign nation to force them to improve their domestic situation? We can't even agree to impose rules on Iran to limit their nuclear weapons development. I agree Mexico bears a big responsibility for the exodus of its citizens. It's ridiculous that they criticize us, when they have open warfare in their own cities because of out of control drug cartels.
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    I suspect congress will force open borders on us just like they forced health care.
    All he problems Mexico is having will soon be here.:mad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Why don't you just move to one of those far more advanced European nations?
    He probably would, but their economic system(s) are collapsing into chaos. WWW probably doesn't want to rush onto himself what he advocates for America.
    "The efforts of the government alone will never be enough. In the end the people must choose and the people must help themselves" ~ JFK; from his famous inauguration speech (What Democrats sounded like before today's neo-Liberals hijacked that party)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    What rules can we impose on a sovereign nation to force them to improve their domestic situation? We can't even agree to impose rules on Iran to limit their nuclear weapons development. I agree Mexico bears a big responsibility for the exodus of its citizens. It's ridiculous that they criticize us, when they have open warfare in their own cities because of out of control drug cartels.
    The United States and Mexico have a far closer and mutually interested relationship, they are one of our largest trade partners with Canada and China, there's plenty we could do.

    And we do bear part of the responsibility for the drug cartels, our failed drug policy has done nothing to reduce our demand for drugs, and everything to push the drug market to these cartels. Marijuana for example brings in around $8.6 Billion for drug cartels, and cocaine, in 2nd place brings in $3.9 Billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Why don't you just move to one of those far more advanced European nations?
    Why don't the Tea Party move to Mexico? They have a very limited government and lower taxes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Why don't the Tea Party move to Mexico? They have a very limited government and lower taxes
    Thats a lie! They have a socialist government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Why don't the Tea Party move to Mexico? They have a very limited government and lower taxes
    "The efforts of the government alone will never be enough. In the end the people must choose and the people must help themselves" ~ JFK; from his famous inauguration speech (What Democrats sounded like before today's neo-Liberals hijacked that party)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    The United States and Mexico have a far closer and mutually interested relationship, they are one of our largest trade partners with Canada and China, there's plenty we could do.
    Okay, here's an idea, let's encourage companies to move to Mexico, where the labor cost is cheaper, and lower barriers to trade with them. The increased job opportunities and higher exports will definitely improve the domestic conditions there. Oh...wait, we tried that with NAFTA, and the dems were against that. They don't like it when companies outsource jobs to Mexicans in Mexico, but they don't mind as much when their workers come here and take American jobs.
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    Before we start figuring out the details, we need to make a very sober evaluation of the problem.

    Both sides insist on framing this issue as though it's 1880. The pro-illegal immigrant side point out that these people just want to work and do better for themselves and their families (i.e., the American Dream). The anti-illegal immigrant side wants them to abide by the current immigration laws and get in line.

    They're both wrong.

    We are a country of over 300 million and we've been having critical problems finding work for the large number of low skill/no skill functional illiterates we produce in-house. We are a service sector and knowledge economy at the moment (we can debate whether that's a particularly smart move elsewhere). We do not have millions of acres of potentially arable land that needs farmers. We don't have hundreds or thousands of idle factories, shipyards, mines, or mills. Every economic downturn we've had since WWII has resulted in more efficiency, more productivity, and fewer low skill jobs.

    We have huge number of able-bodied young men and women who aren't cut out for the cube farm or customer service who can't get jobs.

    Before we think about shoehorning in 15 or 20 million more people, I'd like us to have a conversation as a nation about how we "incentivize" the currently jobless. Not the people who have lost "good" jobs but have taken "average" jobs as a result of the recession - I mean the chronically unemployed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    Okay, here's an idea, let's encourage companies to move to Mexico, where the labor cost is cheaper, and lower barriers to trade with them. The increased job opportunities and higher exports will definitely improve the domestic conditions there. Oh...wait, we tried that with NAFTA, and the dems were against that. They don't like it when companies outsource jobs to Mexicans in Mexico, but they don't mind as much when their workers come here and take American jobs.
    Actually Mexico outsourced the work to China and ended up in the same predicament.
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