05-05-2010, 09:39 AM
What you propose in the above statement is not often realized in actuality. Take the mafia or the street gangs of any big city. They kill each others leaders all the time but it has not ended the gangs or the killing. The killing of a ring leader would work on sensibile people but I don't think we are dealing with sensible people. I think that we are dealing with people whose feelings of vengence is stronger than the fear of retribution. Killing them all would be an option but a lot more people than me would find that a bit extreme.
Something else I find strange is people's seeming displeasure with my opinion of pacifism. I read the New Testament and this is what I conclude from reading it. I read the words and look at the examples of those who lived out their lives in its pages. I know that people don't see things, nor are expected to, as I do but some seem a bit hostile because I have choosen to live like this. I place a high value on human life because we are all image barers. I don't think that anyone would fault me for putting their life over my own if the situation called for it, but the issue seems to arise when I put the life of someone they deem undesirable on par with theirs.
In my opinion, God is the only one who can unerringly and rightly give death for punishment but he delegated some of that authority to the governments of the world. I don't find were he delegated any of it to me as an individual. I might be wrong about this, and I am always looking for new and better ways of understanding God's will so I am open to having my mind changed if it really matters to anyone.
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05-05-2010, 12:52 PM--Odysseus
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
05-05-2010, 01:58 PM
25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Perhaps some feel that I take this too seriously, but it makes me happy, I don't hurt any one and some people find my behavior useful.
Last edited by FlaGator; 05-05-2010 at 02:00 PM.
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05-08-2010, 03:09 PM
- Join Date
- Nov 2008
- Florida. The Cuban Part.
ďI have a really interesting political point of view, and itís not always something I say too loud at dinner tables here, but you canít go from a $2,000-a-night suite at La Mirage to a penitentiary and really understand it and come out a liberal. You canít. I wouldnít wish that experience on anyone else, but it was very, very, very educational for me and has informed my proclivities and politics ever since.Ē ..."The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." Rudyard Kipling - (1865-1936)
Context doesn't matter to this liberal it seems/ as long as it satisfies his godless dreams/ like monkeys throwing sh!t as castles in air/ as long as he throws/that is the extent of his care.
05-08-2010, 05:09 PM
Real research by real professional researchers and sociologists have examined this. There tends to be correlations between economic trouble, minorities, and crime. There are many theories on it, some better than others.
Would you like me to cite some articles? I'm not sure if you'll be able to get to some of them without scholastic database access but any public library can help you out. I may also have some files saved here and there if you're willing to read.
05-08-2010, 05:14 PM
05-08-2010, 09:59 PMStand up for what is right, even if you have to stand alone.
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