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  1. #1 Pinal County Sheriff's deputy shot in desert confrontation 
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    Five men suspected of smuggling drugs across the border ambushed a Pinal County sheriff's deputy Friday in a remote area south of Phoenix, underscoring the border-related violence that has catapulted Arizona and its new immigration law onto the national stage.

    The Pinal Sheriff's department told The Associated Press that the hunt into the early morning hours Saturday but no arrests had been made.

    The rugged desert area where the shooting took place, near the junction of Interstate 8 and Arizona 84 in south-central Arizona, is considered a high-traffic drug- and human-smuggling corridor.

    A massive hunt of 100 square miles that included helicopters with night-vision equipment and more than 200 officers, including SWAT teams, from 13 agencies was still pursuing the shooters late Friday.

    More than one helicopter came under fire during the evening as officers rescued Deputy Louie Puroll, who had been shot with an AK-47-type weapon around 4 p.m., according to the Sheriff's Office.

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    The illegals who traffic in humans and drugs are now openly engaging Arizona's law enforcement. The Obama administration has so far ignored this development. Arizona passes laws to allow law enforcement to keep these people out of Arizona, the Obama administration denounces it. What's next? Is his administration going to take steps to shield these types of people from our laws?

    An update was offered by Fox 11 AZ, three undocumented men have been taken into custody in connection with the shooting.
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    The drug trafficking across the US-Mexico border is, unfortunately, something the Federal Government can do little to stop short of invading Mexico. Its a completely separate issue from immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    The drug trafficking across the US-Mexico border is, unfortunately, something the Federal Government can do little to stop short of invading Mexico. Its a completely separate issue from immigration.
    The drug trade and human trafficking are intertwined. Human trafficking is also closely tied to the sex trade, indentured servitude, and arms running. Coyotes don't run families over the border for free, and Mexican families are coming here because they are poor in Mexico.

    There is a lot the federal government can do to stop the trafficking. Isn't that why we spend hundred of billions a year on a Coast Guard and Army National Guard? Are you saying these two agencies, if actually deployed along the border and in coastal waters would be ineffectual in stopping illegal immigration and the problems that come along with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    The drug trade and human trafficking are intertwined. Human trafficking is also closely tied to the sex trade, indentured servitude, and arms running. Coyotes don't run families over the border for free, and Mexican families are coming here because they are poor in Mexico.

    There is a lot the federal government can do to stop the trafficking. Isn't that why we spend hundred of billions a year on a Coast Guard and Army National Guard? Are you saying these two agencies, if actually deployed along the border and in coastal waters would be ineffectual in stopping illegal immigration and the problems that come along with it?
    For problems like this you have to go straight to the cause. What's the cause of drug trafficking across the border? The ease of producing the stuff in Mexico (cheap labor, ineffectual law enforcement) and obscenely lucrative market demand in the United States. Since the push to lower the demand of drugs into the United States seems to have failed, the target now should be the supply.

    In a perfect world we'd send in a Special Ops team in that would scare the cartels silly but Mexico doesn't want us breaching their sovereignty.
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    The partenership between the cartels and immigration is merely incidental. They have similair goals so they figure they might as well work together. However, stopping one will barely put a dent in their other ones' operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    The partenership between the cartels and immigration is merely incidental. They have similair goals so they figure they might as well work together. However, stopping one will barely put a dent in their other ones' operation.
    If the federal government took measures to prevent bodies, that is human beings, from crossing the border illegally, then the result would obviously be a drop in the drug supply, fewer shootings, and a diminishing effect on the other nefarious aspects of illegal immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    If the federal government took measures to prevent bodies, that is human beings, from crossing the border illegally, then the result would obviously be a drop in the drug supply, fewer shootings, and a diminishing effect on the other nefarious aspects of illegal immigration.
    This is why IMO if a vehicle runs the border and won't stop for the Border Patrol, it should be fired upon as if it were a suicide bomber. We have to start showing these animals that violating our border has consequences. Fat chance this will happen though because Obama doesn't even want us firing on our 'real' enemies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    This is why IMO if a vehicle runs the border and won't stop for the Border Patrol, it should be fired upon as if it were a suicide bomber. We have to start showing these animals that violating our border has consequences. Fat chance this will happen though because Obama doesn't even want us firing on our 'real' enemies.



    If we started a policy like this, the scumbags would ensure that our agents managed to shoot up a bus or truck full of children, just to make our people look bad in the international press.

    If that is going to be the policy, than the shots have to be targeted at the drivers and anyone riding shotgun, not at the storage part of the vehicle, where smuggled people might be hidden. The people being smuggled in through the human trafficking rings are human beings who are being exploited by ruthless pigs who have no consciences. I'd hate to see a truck full of them killed by US border agents. I'm not saying let them into this country, I'm just saying don't kill the innocents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    Coyotes don't run families over the border for free, and Mexican families are coming here because they are poor in Mexico.
    By allowing the "poor" people to come here illegally and it being so easy for them it only allows conditions to worsen in Mexico. The corrupt Mexican government loves the fact that people are free to leave and is horrified at the thought that it may actually become harder for their people to enter the US illegally. If you made it impossible for people to leave Mexico they would revolt and make changes for the betterment of their country.
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