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  1. #1 Terrorists and Guns: The Nature of the Threat and Proposed Reforms 
    Senior Member Molon Labe's Avatar
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    Hearings on this are today.

    They couching gun legislation in the terms of "terrorism".
    Like one of the comments said, Lauthenburg is a traitor and most 2nd Amendment advocates have missed this.

    Wednesday, May 5, 2010
    10:00 AM
    Dirksen Senate Office Building, room 342


    Panel 1

    The Honorable Frank R. Lautenberg

    U.S. Senate

    The Honorable Peter T. King

    U.S. House of Representatives

    The Honorable Michael R. Bloomberg

    City of New York

    The Honorable Raymond W. Kelly

    Police Commissioner
    City of New York

    Panel 2

    Daniel D. Roberts

    Assistant Director, Criminal Justice Information Services Division, Federal Bureau of Investigation
    U.S. Department of Justice

    Eileen R. Larence

    Director, Homeland Security and Justice
    U.S. Government Accountability Office

    Sandy Jo MacArthur

    Assistant Chief, Office of Administrative Services
    Los Angeles Police Department

    Aaron Titus

    Privacy Director
    Liberty Coalition

    Background information:
    In February 2004, then Attorney General Alberto Gonzales directed the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Legal Policy (OLP) to form a working group to review federal firearms and explosives laws*particularly in regard to NICS background checks*to determine whether additional authority should be sought from Congress to prevent firearms and explosives transfers to known and suspected terrorists. In the 111th Congress, Senator Frank Lautenberg and Representative Peter King have reintroduced a bill (S. 1317/H.R. 2159) that would authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected terrorists. This bill reportedly reflects a legislative proposal developed by DOJ.

    In general, this bill would amend the Gun Control Act (GCA) to grant the Attorney General the discretionary authority to deny a firearm transfer or state-issued firearms permit to any prospective transferee or permittee through Brady background checks, if the Attorney General determines that the prospective transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or to have been engaged in conduct constituting, preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support or resources for terrorism, and has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use the firearm in connection with terrorism (proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The bill would make similar amendments to the provisions of the GCA governing the processes by which federal firearms dealer licenses are issued and revoked (18 U.S.C. §§ 923(d) and (e)).

    The bill would also amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(g)) that enumerates several classes of persons who are prohibited from shipping, transporting, possessing, or receiving a firearm or ammunition, so that it would include persons who were the subject of terrorism-related determinations (described above). The bill would amend the GCA provision (18 U.S.C. § 922(d)) that prohibits any person from transferring a firearm to any prohibited person to include any person who was the subject of a terrorism-related determination as well. In addition, the bill would amend the NICS background check provisions (18 U.S.C. § 922(t)) to reflect that the Attorney General would have this new discretionary authority under the proposed 18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B.

    With regard to NICS denials of firearms transfers or state-issued firearms permits based upon terrorist watch list hits and subsequent determinations by the Attorney General, the bill would amend the Brady Act (P.L. 103-159) to allow a denied prospective transferee to request from the Attorney General the reasons for the denial, but it would also give the Attorney General the authority to withhold those reasons if he determines that such a disclosure would compromise national security. The bill would make a similar amendment to the Brady Act in regard to correction of erroneous information.

    Furthermore, the bill would amend the GCA provision that addresses erroneous denials (18 U.S.C. § 925A), to allow any person denied a firearms-related transfer or permit to challenge that determination in U.S. court within 60 days of that determination. This proposed amendment would require the court to sustain the Attorney General’s determination upon a showing by the U.S. Government a preponderance of evidence standard that the determination satisfied the proposed provisions described above (18 U.S.C. §§ 922A and B). The proposed amendment would also allow the court to rely upon summaries or redacted versions of documents underlying those determinations, if those documents contained information that could compromise national security, but it would also allow a court to review the full, undisclosed documents ex parte and in camera at the court’s option or on the motion of the petitioner (denied person). The proposed amendment would also allow the court to determine whether the summaries or redacted versions of the documents were fair and accurate representations of the underlying documents; however, it would not allow the court to overturn the Attorney General’s determination based on the full and un-redacted documents.
    I hope someday people will learn if they want real guns rights are going to have to realize that protecting them means more than just going to you local gun show or shop and buying a piece or getting a couple boxes of ammo from time to time.
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    Considering it's related to NYC, and Bloomberg is involved, wanting more gun control isn't surprising at all. He could want to repave a street in that town and guns would be mentioned. I told my wife that this incident would result in Bloomberg wanting more gun control. Looks like I was right.

    Considering the ammo situation today, having a gun won't matter unless you can stockpile and hold a decent amount of rounds for each gun you own. I've got a couple of thousand rounds of 9mm for my H&K P7 and went looking last Friday for a box to go out and do some plinking. Neither of the 2 stores that carry ammunition had any 9mm in stock. In fact, the shelves were pretty empty of all the most popular calibers.

    I had to dig into my stockpile for a box.
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    Best Bounty Hunter in the Forums fettpett's Avatar
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    thats kind of surprising, i thought the supply shortage was staring to turn around. I just bought a box at walmart over easter, frist time in a while that they actually had some.

    but this doesn't surprise me at all, and so much for Gun Control being "dead" keeping Guns out of law abiding citizens isn't going to stop some terrorist from getting on. Asses leading the blind
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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    thats kind of surprising, i thought the supply shortage was staring to turn around. I just bought a box at walmart over easter, frist time in a while that they actually had some.

    but this doesn't surprise me at all, and so much for Gun Control being "dead" keeping Guns out of law abiding citizens isn't going to stop some terrorist from getting on. Asses leading the blind
    It's all about accurately assessing the threat. To the ruling class, law-abiding citizens are a greater threat than terrorists. After all, the odds on a politican getting caught in an SUV explosion in Times Square are pretty remote, but the odds of being voted out of office by an energized electorate are pretty good, especially this year.
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    but this doesn't surprise me at all, and so much for Gun Control being "dead" keeping Guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens isn't going to stop some terrorist from getting one.
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    It's all projection. Libs seriously believe that they themselves would drop the hammer on a friend, relative, or neighbor over a heated argument involving crabgrass. They are that impulsive. So, naturally they believe that gun control would prevent a lot of impulsive crime.

    In real life, however, criminals don't pay attention to gun control laws and normal RKBA-knowledgeable gun owners don't commit impulsive gun crimes. Really, they are trying to keep guns out of the hands of each other to prevent a hail of gunfire over Chardonnay and fair trade sea bass.

    Out here, we have finally resolved concealed carry at CSU. We're for it and it's legal. Next stop: the People's Republic of Boulder. :)
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    Gun control and terrorism have no correlation whatsoever.
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