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    Good grief. Well....it is the Air Force after all. :p

    If people don't react, many of these might be awarded posthumously. :(



    Hold fire, earn a medal

    By William H. McMichael - Staff writer


    U.S. troops in Afghanistan could soon be awarded a medal for not doing something, a precedent-setting award that would be given for “courageous restraint” for holding fire to save civilian lives.

    The proposal is now circulating in the Kabul headquarters of the International Security Assistance Force, a command spokesman confirmed Tuesday.

    “The idea is consistent with our approach,” explained Air Force Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis. “Our young men and women display remarkable courage every day, including situations where they refrain from using lethal force, even at risk to themselves, in order to prevent possible harm to civilians. In some situations our forces face in Afghanistan, that restraint is an act of discipline and courage not much different than those seen in combat actions.”

    Soldiers are often recognized for non-combat achievement with decorations such as their service’s commendation medal. But most of the highest U.S. military decorations are for valor in combat. A medal to recognize a conscious effort to avoid a combat action would be unique.

    Consideration of such an award, first reported by an Associated Press reporter in Afghanistan, doesn’t mean that, if approved, troops would be pressured to prevent such casualties at risk to themselves, Sholtis said.

    “We absolutely support the right of our forces to defend themselves,” Sholtis said. “Valuing restraint in a potentially dangerous situation is not the same thing as denying troops the right to employ lethal force when they determine that it is necessary.”

    A spokesman for the 2.2 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars, the nation’s largest group of combat veterans, thinks the award would cause confusion among the ranks and send a bad signal.

    “The self-protections built into the rules of engagement are clear, and the decision to return fire must be made instantly based on training and the threat,” said Joe Davis, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars. “The enemy already hides among noncombatants, and targets them, too. The creation of such an award will only embolden their actions and put more American and noncombatant lives in jeopardy. Let’s not rush to create something that no one wants to present posthumously.”

    Giving a medal for restraint was proposed by British Maj. Gen. Nick Carter, ISAF’s Regional Command South commander, during a recent visit to Kandahar by Army Command Sgt. Maj. Mike Hall, the top U.S. enlisted member in Afghanistan, Sholtis said.

    U.S. Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the ISAF commander, has placed a premium on preventing civilian deaths, having last year tightened the rules of engagement for air strikes and other combat operations in an effort to prevent fatalities. Such deaths build resentment among a populace the U.S. is trying to win over as part of its counterinsurgency strategy to simultaneously drive out the Taliban and strengthen Afghan government.

    According to the United Nations, more than 2,400 civilians were killed last year, although estimates vary widely. From March 21 to April 21, 173 civilians were killed in Afghanistan — a 33 percent increase over the same period the previous year — according to the Associated Press, citing Afghan Interior Ministry figures.
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    A medal for getting fellow service members killed. The Sir Robin the Not -So-Brave Medal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
    A medal for getting fellow service members killed. The Sir Robin the Not -So-Brave Medal.
    I get the holding back may save lives of your men or civilians part, but that's what people get decorated with all the other USAFIM's for. For making good decisions in a tough spot that save lives. No need to make a new award.
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    This is a DoD wide thing, not an Air Force one.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    This is a DoD wide thing, not an Air Force one.
    LOL!! I know....Just an Air force joke. Pretty crazy award eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    LOL!! I know....Just an Air force joke. Pretty crazy award eh?
    Definitely not one that will be on my mind if I ever find myself in the unlikely situation I have to fire my weapon. First thing on my mind will be I'm going home to my family, and Hadji Johnson ain't.
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    That's so gay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonialMarine0431 View Post
    That's so gay.
    Actually, I think it's a public relations medal. It acknowledges that with new ways of warfare come civilians who could be killed at all times. Restraint means winning the public relations war, formerly known as "hearts and minds."
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