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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    My dad thought N. Korea was a real joke while he was a medic in prison camps during the Korean war.
    That's like saying we should be afraid of Mongolia because Genghis Khan might come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    The US installing a puppet government in Iran, Iranians kinda finding out about it, said Iranians flipping an absolute shit, and us having a country of 120 million all pissed off at us and supporting terror groups like Hizbollah.
    So these are CIA climbing over a fence to install a new government?
    I have a question for you, if this country sucks so bad why don't you get the hell out you little commie loving bastard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    That's like saying we should be afraid of Mongolia because Genghis Khan might come back.
    Black hash or Tai stick, come on you can tell me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    So these are CIA climbing over a fence to install a new government?
    I have a question for you, if this country sucks so bad why don't you get the hell out you little commie loving bastard!
    Ugh, you're one of those. Saying the CIA shouldn't be giving free reign to destabilize whatever government it wants does not translate into American "sucking so bad."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Ugh, you're one of those. Saying the CIA shouldn't be giving free reign to destabilize whatever government it wants does not translate into American "sucking so bad."
    Do you live in Chicago shoe? Why do you hate America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    The US installing a puppet government in Iran, Iranians kinda finding out about it, said Iranians flipping an absolute shit, and us having a country of 120 million all pissed off at us and supporting terror groups like Hizbollah.
    A puppet government in Iran? WTF are you talking about??? We helped the legitimate ruler of Iran regain control of his country after an avowed communist in the back pocket of moscow - spreading around rubbles bought the office of prime minister?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Ugh, you're one of those. Saying the CIA shouldn't be giving free reign to destabilize whatever government it wants does not translate into American "sucking so bad."
    Who said anything about free reign? What is being said is that when you have a situation where a total fucked up nutter is in charge and by taking him out we can remove a threat to the world and improve the lot of the people under him - we should do it.
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    IF this comes to a shooting war, there will really be only one decider....air superiority.

    Larry Bond's book, Red Phoenix, is one of the best novels on the subject, and quite frankly, his scenario is the one that best fits the possibilities.

    (Yes this is wiki, but the list looks right to me)

    Air bases

    Northwestern area

    * 24th Air Regiment - operating transport aircraft;

    * Air Regiment - operating MiG-17F/J-5, F-5/FT-5;

    Korean Peoples Army Air Force.svg Taechon

    * 5th Air Transport Regiment
    * Kaech'on - Headquarters, 1st Air Combat Command. 35th Air Regiment (MiG-19/J-6). Fighter base with 2500 m runway. Google Earth confirms presence of MiG-19 aircraft.
    * Pukch'ang - 60th Air Regiment (1 ACC) (MiG-23ML/MiG-23UB/MiG-15UTI); Air Transport Regiment (5 TD) (H500D/H500E/500D).
    * Samjangkol - Air Transport Regiment (6 TD) (Mi-2).
    * Sunchon - 55th Air Regiment (1 ACC) (Su-25K/Su-25UBK/Su-7BMK) (MiG-29 suspected). The Google Earth imagery shows what appears to be MiG-21s and Su-25s. Runway length is 2500 m.
    * Kanch'on - Air Transport Regiment (6 TD) (Mi-4/Z-5/Mi-8/Mi-17/Mi-2).

    West Coast and Pyongyang area

    * Onchon - 57th Air Regiment (1 ACC) (MiG-19/J-6/MiG-29/MiG-29UB).
    * Hwangju - Headquarters, 3rd Air Combat Command. 56th Air Regiment (3 ACC) (MiG-21U/MiG-21PF/J-7).
    * Kwail/Pungchon - 4th Air Regiment (3 ACC) (F-6/FT-5/MiG-19) (MiG-17/J-5 suspected). (38°25′00″N 125°01′00″E / 38.4166667°N 125.0166667°E / 38.4166667; 125.0166667)
    * Taetan - Air Regiment (3 ACC) (F-5/FT-5/H-5). Google Earth imagery shows what appears to be two entrances to an underground storage area to the south-west of the airfield joined by taxiways.
    * Pyongyang Sunan International Airport - Air Transport Regiment (Air Koryo) (Tu-134B/Tu-154B/Il-62/Il-76MD/Il-14/Il-18/An-24).
    * Mirim - This airfield served as a light transport base and closed sometime in the 1990s.
    DMZ area
    * Chunghwa - Headquarters, Air Command.
    * Koksan - 86th Air Regiment (3 ACC) (MiG-21PF/MiG-21U) (Q-5) (J-7 suspected).
    * Hyon-ni - Air Regiment (F-5/FT-5).

    East Coast area

    * Toksan - Headquarters, 2nd Air Combat Command. Air Regiment (2 ACC) (MiG-21PF/J-7/F-7).
    * Sondok - Air Transport Regiment (Y-5/An-2). Google Earth imagery shows what looks like an old, unused runway to the south-east of the airfield.
    * Kowon - Air Transport Regiment (6 TD) (Z-5/Mi-4/Mi-8/Mi-17).
    * Pakhon - Air Transport Regiment (6 TD) (Z-5/Mi-4/Mi-8/Mi-17/Mi-2).
    * Wonsan - Air Regiment (2 ACC) (F-6/FT-5) (about 30 MiG-19/J-6 suspected).

    Far Northeast area

    * Samjiyon - Training Regiment (8 AD) (MiG-15UTI) (J-2/MiG-15 suspected).
    * Hyesan - Training Regiment (8 AD) (An-2/Y-5).
    * Hwangsuwon-ni - 72nd Air Regiment (2 ACC) (A-5/FT-5) (MiG-19/J-6 suspected).
    * Kilchu - Training Regiment (8 AD) (Mi-2).
    * Orang - Headquarters, 8th Air Division. Training Regiment (8 AD) (MiG-15UTI/J-2/MiG-15). Air Regiment (H-5).
    * Changjin-up - Training Regiment (8 AD) (CJ-6) (Yak-18 suspected).

    ..which begs the question: would Russia get involved? Or China?
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    This



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    = this + one dead Nork pilot

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    That's worked out so well in the past.

    As for appeasing NK, its practically impossible in the Chamberlain-esque style of dictator enabling you are implying. North Korea would last no more than a couple of hours in a war against any of its immediate neighbors, and its likely to stay that way. Nazi Germany was actually a threat, North Korea is nuisance and a joke.
    Those who dismiss the threat of small rogue states do so at their peril. One would have thought that Afghanistan was not a threat prior to 9/11, but the nature of the threat changes all of the time, and the failure to recognize that is what leads to crushing, humiliating defeat. While you are correct that North Korea cannot win a war with South Korea, you miss the point. All of South Korea is within missile range of the North and most of the population lives within artillery range of the border. Seoul would be destroyed. Now that the North is developing missiles capable of reaching the mid-Pacific, they can also target Japan, Tawain, Hawaii and Australia. North Korea's death throes would devastate the region and could even trigger a confrontation between the US and China. They are the fuse on a particularly nasty WMD powder keg. True, North Korea would lose any war that they start, but that loss would trigger a wave of destruction and death in some of the most densely populated, economically advanced parts of the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    The US installing a puppet government in Iran, Iranians kinda finding out about it, said Iranians flipping an absolute shit, and us having a country of 120 million all pissed off at us and supporting terror groups like Hizbollah.
    This is one of those stories that gets better every time it's told by someone with an axe to grind. How is it that the CIA can unilaterally topple popular governments and get dogs and cats to live together, but can't find WMDs or identify the imminent collapse of the USSR? Perhaps there is more there than just the magical waving of the CIA by Eisenhower? Popular governments don't simply fall to coups without massive effort. For an example of what that looks like, see the Hungarian uprising of 1956 or the suppression of the Prague Spring in 1968. Those were actual popular movements that were violently suppressed. The Iranian situation was much closer to the Chilean situation under Allende (whose alleged ouster by the CIA is also an article of faith among the left, if not an article of fact). Mossadegh was democratically elected after the assassination of his predecessor (who was an ally of the Shah), but he then began using his position to consolidate power and eliminate the rest of the Iranian government and opposition (Exactly as Allende did). Iran was a constitutional monarchy, but Mossadegh demanded the abdication of the Shah and tried to usurp his powers, but the Shah fought back and won. The CIA didn't overthrow Mossadegh. In fact, the Brits had a bigger piece of it than we did, and they only pulled their people out of the British Petroleum properties when Mossadegh tried to nationalize them, and they publicly backed the Shah (who, it must be noted, was not trying to steal their property). The US actions were limited to intelligence sharing. Not exactly a coup by the CIA.
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