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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Ooh, that looks so bad, especially if you don't know the laws of warfare, which you clearly don't.

    The individual on the hood was caught throwing rocks, so he wasn't an innocent bystander but a combatant,
    wow.

    and the border guards were not firing on the rock throwers and the vehicles were not being used as firing platforms, so the rock thrower wasn't shielding a combat target. OTOH, Hamas and Hezbollah routinely set up rocket launchers in, or in close proximity to, hospitals, mosques and private residences. Why is the latter a war crime and the former not? Simple: because if you engage an enemy from behind a civilian shield, you are forcing them to return fire at or through that shield. Thus, when Hamas fires rockets, they know that Israel will either return fire, causing civilian casualties, or not return fire because of their concerns about civilian casualties, allowing them to kill Israelis with impunity.
    The people take up arms against what they feel is an unjust and evil occupying force, of COURSE it's nearly civilian residences, they are the civilians.




    So, you are arguning that Hamas, which is the sole government of Gaza, and which considers itself an Islamic group which includes the establishment of a global caliphate under Sharia law doesn't represent Islam?
    Yes.

    Or, for that matter, Hezbollah, which translates to "Army of Allah," and which is not even Palestinian, isn't motivated by Islam? Or that Israel, the sole Jewish state in the world, is not attacked because it is the sole Jewish state in the world? That the Muslim states which attack Israel, some Arab, some not, some not even sharing a border with Israel, are motivated by... what exactly?
    Socio-economic and political factors, obviously.

    By all means, think about it. It would be nice to see you do that for a change. But, until you do, many others have thought about it, and come to the same conclusion, that this is a Muslim-Jewish conflict, rather than a Palestinian-Israeli one. The following article from the American Thinker sums up the positions quite well:
    hahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    wow.
    The people take up arms against what they feel is an unjust and evil occupying force, of COURSE it's nearly civilian residences, they are the civilians.
    Wrong! Once you take up arms, you become a combatant. Every law of land warfare, from the Geneva Conventions through the Hague Conventions and the UCMJ acknowledge this basic fact. And all of them explicitly state that when you use a protected structure or conveyance for military purposes, you void the protections of those laws and have, in fact, committed a war crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Yes.
    That's news to Hamas. They consider themselves Mujahedeen, or Islamic holy warriors, as does Hexbollah, as do the governments of Iran, Turkey, Pakistan and the rest of the Islamic states that supply them with arms in the name of Islam. Why else would states that have no border with Israel support these thugs?


    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Socio-economic and political factors, obviously.
    For a guy who claims not to parrot a party line, you're doing a... well, not great job, since the party line makes no sense, but you are doing it as hard as you can. What socio-economic factors force Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Algeria, Kuwait, Bangladesh, Libya, Afghanistan and a host of other Islamic countries that are nowhere near Israel to refuse to have any diplomatic ties and to perpetuate a state of war with Israel since before the state existed? In 1948, every Muslim nation sent troops to obliterate Israel within minutes of the UN partition vote. What possible socio-economic factors would justify that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    hahahaha
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    The people take up arms against what they feel is an unjust and evil occupying force, of COURSE it's nearly civilian residences, they are the civilians.
    What "occupying force"? They attacked Israel and got their asses handed to them.
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    Let's just nuke the camel jockeys and get this shit over with.:eek:
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    And yet again Wee Wee chimes in with his B.S..

    He has NO CLUE of what actually happens on the ground in Israel or in Gaza. He forms his opinions on what he reads and what the talking heads tell him on TV.

    Wee Wee, get a job, save your money, go over there, spend six months on the border one the Israeli side and then six months on the border in Gaza. Go see for your self. When you get back, I will entertain your thoughts on the subject.

    In the mean time, just shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Guy View Post
    And yet again Wee Wee chimes in with his B.S..

    He has NO CLUE of what actually happens on the ground in Israel or in Gaza. He forms his opinions on what he reads and what the talking heads tell him on TV.

    Wee Wee, get a job, save your money, go over there, spend six months on the border one the Israeli side and then six months on the border in Gaza. Go see for your self. When you get back, I will entertain your thoughts on the subject.

    In the mean time, just shut up.
    In all fairness, it's not like he has a clue about anything happening here, either, so why should Israel or Gaza be any different?
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    In all fairness, it's not like he has a clue about anything happening here, either, so why should Israel or Gaza be any different?
    Reminds me of the idiot liberal who asked me who our President was.

    We dont have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    In all fairness, it's not like he has a clue about anything so why should Israel or Gaza be any different?
    Fixed for accuracy.
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