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  1. #1 The name on Obama's Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro. 
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    *BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]
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    Two sources, including Larry Johnson of No Quarter (who’s been in Hawaii on business), have independently told me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obama’s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

    The sources confirm that the theory first presented here — see Obama Hides Indonesian Identity, Fake Birth Certificate Explained — nearly 2 weeks ago, IS TRUE:

    The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro...
    ....or those who have not followed this story, Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at that time.

    We assert that Barry Soetoro acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it. Barack Obama possibly changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama as an older child, teenager, or adult, possibly never did — but even if he did, this procedure would not result in a change to the BC.

    The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people.

    I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in ‘81 with an Indonesian passport.....
     

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    Theory of Birth Certificate Events:
    1. Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, with the legal name Barack Hussein Obama II, and Barack H. Obama Sr. was identified as his legal father. [NOTE: an alternative theory, that Obama was born in Canada, is still being researched.]

    2. Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii sometime around 1965-1966.

    3. As part of the adoption procedure, pursuant to Hawaiian law, Obama’s original Birth Certificate (BC) was sealed, and a new Birth Certificate was issued with his new name, Barry Soetoro, and the name of his new father, Lolo Soetoro.

    4. Mother and son joined Soetoro in Indonesia, where Barry Soetoro was registered in school as Lolo’s son, a Muslim, and a citizen of Indonesia.

    5. After approximately 4 years, Barry Soetoro returned to Hawaii as a U.S. citizen to live with his grandparents, the Dunhams, and attend private school.

    6. At some point before his 18th birthday, he most likely changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama, but his Birth Certificate would not have been modified again unless there was another adoption (by the Dunhams, for example).
     

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    Will Hillary's supporters 'pop' this at the DNC Dog and Pony show and will it make any difference to the faithfull Obama_Drones ?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Will Hillary's supporters 'pop' this at the DNC Dog and Pony show and will it make any difference to the faithfull Obama_Drones ?
    If Obama has dual citizenship, it's going to raise a lot of issues that will end up creating a constitutional crisis before the election, as it has serious implications regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. It will go to the courts, and it will be Hillary's supporters driving the train, not the Republicans.

    Imagine how an African-American voter, looking forward to casting his/her vote for an African-American candiate for the first time in a general election, would react when that candidate is taken off of the ballot because of a technicality, or worse, is denied the nomination in a backroom deal between the Clihntons and the DNC. People who screamed bloody murder about disenfranchisement in Florida and still claim that the Bush presidency was illegitimate will now be asked to vote for the whitest woman in America after she has snatched the nomination from Obama. Look for McCain to draw about 75% of the black vote if that happens, and if he's really smart and does a series of spots in black-owned media about the Democratic Party's history of racism, he could do even better, and possibly even drive a permanent wedge between Democrats and African-American voters which could mean a realignment of the black vote for several election cycles. Thist will be the biggest boon to Republicans since Reconstruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    If Obama has dual citizenship, it's going to raise a lot of issues that will end up creating a constitutional crisis before the election, as it has serious implications regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. It will go to the courts, and it will be Hillary's supporters driving the train, not the Republicans.

    Imagine how an African-American voter, looking forward to casting his/her vote for an African-American candiate for the first time in a general election, would react when that candidate is taken off of the ballot because of a technicality, or worse, is denied the nomination in a backroom deal between the Clihntons and the DNC. People who screamed bloody murder about disenfranchisement in Florida and still claim that the Bush presidency was illegitimate will now be asked to vote for the whitest woman in America after she has snatched the nomination from Obama. Look for McCain to draw about 75% of the black vote if that happens, and if he's really smart and does a series of spots in black-owned media about the Democratic Party's history of racism, he could do even better, and possibly even drive a permanent wedge between Democrats and African-American voters which could mean a realignment of the black vote for several election cycles. Thist will be the biggest boon to Republicans since Reconstruction.
    To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Warrior View Post
    Now he's got Indonesian citizenship? Last week he had Kenyan citizenship? What's next -- Icelandic? :D
    Nope. Irish. He's really Barry O'Bama, an Irish guy who had a deep tan and discovered that hot college girls went for the oppressed brother rap, but by the time he hit grad school, he couldn't give it up without losing the affirmative action grants and placement, so he's kept up the lie for decades. That's why his grandmother was a "typical white person." :D

    Quote Originally Posted by CLibertarian View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.
    My wife is a Brit, so our daughters have dual citizenship, although I'm told that they have to apply for it from Britain. Regardless, if Obama does have dual-citizenship, it's a campaign issue, at the very least, but it could involve some serious constitutional interpretation to keep him on the ballot if this blows up. Even if it doesn't disqualify him, it would cost him some votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLibertarian View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.
    FYI from the US State Department's website:

    The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

    A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
    If I should marry my girlfriend, I intend to gain Romanian (and thereby EU) citizenship.
     

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    Are there any reliable references for this story? I looked at the blog, but it only refers to other blogs as "proof". This is a pretty big claim, and I would like to see a reliable source validate it.
    **** Obama and **** you too.
     

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    +1, this story seems a little "out there". We can nail this guy on his policies, why drag up irrelevant dirt that only intensifies the left to come to his defense against "evil right wing racism"?
     

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    Now he's got Indonesian citizenship? Last week he had Kenyan citizenship? What's next -- Icelandic? :D
     

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