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    Quote Originally Posted by Full-Auto View Post
    Here's a forensics study on the forgery.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...exclusive.html
    Good analysis. That's pretty convincing. How much do you trust that site and the information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    If Obama has dual citizenship, it's going to raise a lot of issues that will end up creating a constitutional crisis before the election, as it has serious implications regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. It will go to the courts, and it will be Hillary's supporters driving the train, not the Republicans.

    Imagine how an African-American voter, looking forward to casting his/her vote for an African-American candiate for the first time in a general election, would react when that candidate is taken off of the ballot because of a technicality, or worse, is denied the nomination in a backroom deal between the Clihntons and the DNC. People who screamed bloody murder about disenfranchisement in Florida and still claim that the Bush presidency was illegitimate will now be asked to vote for the whitest woman in America after she has snatched the nomination from Obama. Look for McCain to draw about 75% of the black vote if that happens, and if he's really smart and does a series of spots in black-owned media about the Democratic Party's history of racism, he could do even better, and possibly even drive a permanent wedge between Democrats and African-American voters which could mean a realignment of the black vote for several election cycles. Thist will be the biggest boon to Republicans since Reconstruction.
    To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Warrior View Post
    Now he's got Indonesian citizenship? Last week he had Kenyan citizenship? What's next -- Icelandic? :D
    Nope. Irish. He's really Barry O'Bama, an Irish guy who had a deep tan and discovered that hot college girls went for the oppressed brother rap, but by the time he hit grad school, he couldn't give it up without losing the affirmative action grants and placement, so he's kept up the lie for decades. That's why his grandmother was a "typical white person." :D

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    To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.
    My wife is a Brit, so our daughters have dual citizenship, although I'm told that they have to apply for it from Britain. Regardless, if Obama does have dual-citizenship, it's a campaign issue, at the very least, but it could involve some serious constitutional interpretation to keep him on the ballot if this blows up. Even if it doesn't disqualify him, it would cost him some votes.
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    I'm skeptical about the "conspiracy"

    Andrew Sullivan's blog says this.... http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128025.html

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    David Weigel | August 11, 2008, 8:12am

    It's been a while since I suited up and dumpster-dived in the Obama conspiracyverse. In my absence, I reckon that the average IQ there has dipped by 20-25 points. Take this latest revelation from Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson.
    Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.

    Incredible! Ann Dunham met her second husband, Lolo Soetoro in 1966, in Hawaii. "Barry" Obama was, at this time, five years old. The only reasonable explanation is that Dunham and Soetoro built (or purchased) a Genesis Device to clone a new son, using DNA from Barack Obama Sr. that Dunham had pulled off one of his combs.

    Seriously. The "evidence" for Johnson's claim is the now-familiar murmurings of "sources" and GOP "operatives" (who appear in these things quicker than agents of H.Y.D.R.A.) and the fact—not reported in too many places, but never disputed—that when Lolo Soetoro became his adoptive father, the young Barack was enrolled in school as "Barack Soetoro."

    But was there anything at all odd about that as it concerns a candidate for president? Bill Clinton was William Blythe III until he turned 14 and his mother married Roger Clinton. Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King, Jr., and three years later his mother married Gerald R. Ford and unofficially re-named her son. The younger Ford didn't legally change his name until his was 22 years old. Is Larry Johnson or one of his pseudononymous fellow travellers going to retroactively challenge their legitimacy or veracity? Probably not. There's nothing odd or foreign about Ford's and Clinton's lives—there's no way to stoke racial bigotry and paranoia, which is the indisputable goal of this stuff.

    Alas, this was only the second-stupidist event in Birth Certificatestan this week. The stupidest:
    Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

    Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

    Maya Soetoro is Barack Obama's half-sister. She was born in 1970. In Indonesia. Fun fact: Indonesia is not part of Hawaii.

    Another fun fact: It's been 88 days since Larry Johnson claimed the existence of the "whitey" tape
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Nope. Irish. He's really Barry O'Bama, an Irish guy who had a deep tan and discovered that hot college girls went for the oppressed brother rap, but by the time he hit grad school, he couldn't give it up without losing the affirmative action grants and placement, so he's kept up the lie for decades. That's why his grandmother was a "typical white person." :D



    My wife is a Brit, so our daughters have dual citizenship, although I'm told that they have to apply for it from Britain. Regardless, if Obama does have dual-citizenship, it's a campaign issue, at the very least, but it could involve some serious constitutional interpretation to keep him on the ballot if this blows up. Even if it doesn't disqualify him, it would cost him some votes.
    He's actuallu one of the Balck Irish. They are a rough crowd reportedly renown for their ability to shovel huge mounds of Horse s%@* without the odor clinging to them.;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    I'm skeptical about the "conspiracy"

    Andrew Sullivan's blog says this.... http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128025.html

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    David Weigel | August 11, 2008, 8:12am

    It's been a while since I suited up and dumpster-dived in the Obama conspiracyverse. In my absence, I reckon that the average IQ there has dipped by 20-25 points. Take this latest revelation from Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson.
    I like the "it's no big deal" argument. That's what the Left used during Dan Rather's time. The forgery wasn't a big deal, because the underlying story is what matters.

    If you take the arguments at face value, then it means Obama's birth certificate is Hawaiian and he was named Barry Soetoro. No big deal, right?

    Well what about the fact that someone, likely in the Obama camp, forged official documents?

    Even assuming that it was a Kossite that forged the documents, unaffiliated with the Obama camp, the campaign published the documents on its website with actual knowledge of their falsity. Barack Obama has requested and received copies of birth certificates in the past, it is required for any number of state filings. He knew that his name was listed as Soetoro on the birth certificate, but let this pass anyway.

    Barack Obama either knowingly commissioned the forging of offical documents or failed to correct a known forgery. Additionally, he attested to the validity of the documents and (likely, but no one has raised the issue) presented known forgeries to state and federal officials as valid official state documents.

    The left is saying that these allegations of criminal activity are "no big deal." And it is sad that so many on the right are supporting them with ambivalence.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLibertarian View Post
    To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.
    FYI from the US State Department's website:

    The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

    A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.
    If I should marry my girlfriend, I intend to gain Romanian (and thereby EU) citizenship.
     

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