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    [Polish] Day of Solidarity with Georgia

    "By joining NATO, Poland became a member of a military alliance, which in an efficient way, provides for its security," says Polish Ambassador Przemyslaw Grudzinski. "Poland gained security and confidence, which are fundamental for further development. Without effective and credible security guarantees, the transition toward more prosperous and democratic order would have been much more complex and difficult."

    Law and Justice MP and former deputy foreign minister Pawel Kowal called for the launch of a campaign of solidarity with the Georgian nation. He said that red and white ribbons -

    the colors of both the Georgian and Polish flags - should be worn by all politicians, media figures and ordinary members of the public. A Day of Solidarity with Georgia will be organized in Poland tomorrow.

    Also, Polish Humanitarian Organization (PAH) announced it will provide aid to victims of the conflict on South Ossetia by collecting donations. Meanwhile, around 100 protestors gathered outside the Russian Embassy in Warsaw,...

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    Poland: Presidents Of 5 Ex-Communist Countries Head To Georgia

    WARSAW (AFP)--The presidents of five ex-communist countries will travel to Georgia to back Georgia in its war with Russia, a senior aide to Poland's President Lech Kaczynski told Monday.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    It was created to stop the Soviet Union. It is outdated for the current state of affairs.
    I suppose you're right. NATO was only relevant when Russia was bullying her weaker neighbors into submission by economic, political, and military forces.

    None of that going on anymore.
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    Russia Warns Baltics, Poland To Pay For Georgia Stance-Report


    "Sure Sounds Like A Russian Threat To Retaliate To Me !"

    RIGA, Latvia (AFP)--Russia's ambassador to Latvia Monday warned the Baltic states and Poland that they would pay for their criticism of the Kremlin over the conflict in Georgia, the Baltic news agency BNS reported.

    "One must not hurry on such serious issues, as serious mistakes can be made that have to be paid for a long time afterwards," Alexander Veshnyakov was quoted as saying by BNS.

    Contacted by AFP, a spokesman for the Russian embassy in Riga confirmed the ambassador's comments but declined to elaborate.

    Veshnyakov's remarks followed a joint statement Saturday by Latvia's President Valdis Zatlers and his counterparts from Estonia, Lithuania and Poland which called on the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to oppose Russia's "imperialist" policy towards Georgia.

    The three Baltic states -- which were part of the Soviet Union -- and Poland are staunch allies of Georgia, a former Soviet republic.

    Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland are now members of the E.U. and NATO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    I suppose you're right. NATO was only relevant when Russia was bullying her weaker neighbors into submission by economic, political, and military forces.

    None of that going on anymore.
    Not bullying, when it had enslaved half of Europe and the percieved threat of communism as an idealogy was at America and Western Europe's door step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    Not bullying, when it had enslaved half of Europe and the percieved threat of communism as an idealogy was at America and Western Europe's door step.
    So are you saying Russia didn't install puppet governments into the Soviet states, bleed them of economic resources, and use the threat of force to suppress opposition? That's exactly what Russia is trying to do now in Georgia, and given this news, plans to expand their threat to other Baltic states.

    Or are you suggesting that until Russia re-enslaves Eastern Europe, we shouldn't do anything to stop them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    So are you saying Russia didn't install puppet governments into the Soviet states, bleed them of economic resources, and use the threat of force to suppress opposition? That's exactly what Russia is trying to do now in Georgia, and given this news, plans to expand their threat to other Baltic states.

    Or are you suggesting that until Russia re-enslaves Eastern Europe, we shouldn't do anything to stop them?
    I'm suggesting NATO is not a permanent weight to be pushed on Russia until it gives up in every way. NATO was made to end the cold war, but it's presence may make another. Now that they are free, they need to start making their own security, all the countries in that region. I would much prefer the EU (made up together of the richest countires in the world) or someone else with more vested in the region to grow some balls and do it, instead of a country seperated by an ocean do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    I'm suggesting NATO is not a permanent weight to be pushed on Russia until it gives up in every way. NATO was made to end the cold war, but it's presence may make another. Now that they are free, they need to start making their own security, all the countries in that region. I would much prefer the EU (made up together of the richest countires in the world) or someone else with more vested in the region to grow some balls and do it, instead of a country seperated by an ocean do it.


    What are you babbling about ? NATO is a military alliance to contain the Russian Bears Territorial ambitions.As long as Russia has any military power NATO will be relevent !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    I'm suggesting NATO is not a permanent weight to be pushed on Russia until it gives up in every way. NATO was made to end the cold war, but it's presence may make another. Now that they are free, they need to start making their own security, all the countries in that region. I would much prefer the EU (made up together of the richest countires in the world) or someone else with more vested in the region to grow some balls and do it, instead of a country seperated by an ocean do it.
    The EU should act, and should have a military force strong enough to repel Russia, but they aren't going to. The Europeans are the ones who opposed Georgia entering NATO because they didn't want to upset the Russians, basically modern EU governments are fine entering into treaties, but only so long as there is no potential for future conflict.

    The United States cannot be completely insular and let Europe be dominated by Russia, we have too many economic and political allies in the region.

    I'm not suggesting that we use NATO to get Russia to give up in every way. But it should be used to repel military force by Russia against other states.

    BTW, the EU isn't comprised of the richest countries in the world, there are 27 countries in the EU, 5 in the top 10 (by GDP), and 7 in the top 20 (by GDP). The United States has 4 individual states in the top 20 world economies, bumping out Turkey, Pakistan, Belgium, and Indonesia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biccat View Post
    BTW, the EU isn't comprised of the richest countries in the world, there are 27 countries in the EU, 5 in the top 10 (by GDP), and 7 in the top 20 (by GDP). The United States has 4 individual states in the top 20 world economies, bumping out Turkey, Pakistan, Belgium, and Indonesia.
    I mean that Europe is the richest continent in the world, and the US borrows money from them to protect them.
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