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    -Gordon Brown urges Moscow to order a ceasefire
    -Putin lashes out at the U.S. for 'helping Georgia'
    -Georgia 'restarts shelling' after ceasefire call ignore
    -Refugee crisis as 40,000 flee

    Georgian officials tonight claimed the country had been 'overrun' by Russian troops after a full-scale ground invasion.
    Amid reports that Moscow forces had taken the town of Gori - and were marching on the capital Tsblisi - Georgian soldiers appeared to be in full retreat.
    Troops were apparently in complete chaos as a full-scale rout pushed them back through the countryside.

    Meanwhile, the civilian crisis intensified with thousands of refugees fleeing the seemingly unstoppable advance of the Russian army.

    An unidentified Georgian woman cries after finding out that her child was killed in a neighbouring village, in the town of Gori

    Around 9,000 soldiers and 350 tanks had been massing at a base in the border region of Abkhazia throughout the day.



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    And Bush told Russia to back the heck off. It's rare that I say this, but good for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    And Bush told Russia to back the heck off. It's rare that I say this, but good for him.
    Yeah..whatever...

    except there is evidence that Georgia may be as much the aggressor....

    http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/news/ar...h_ossetia.html

    and this..

    http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378


    Don't be one duped by the MSM...you won't get even a fraction of the truth.
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    No, both sides are at fault, and Russia reacts in generally the only way it ever does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    Yeah..whatever...

    except there is evidence that Georgia may be as much the aggressor....

    http://www.tiraspoltimes.com/news/ar...h_ossetia.html

    and this..

    http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378


    Don't be one duped by the MSM...you won't get even a fraction of the truth.
    Georgia may be the aggressor towards South Ossetia, but those are Georgian areas, not Russian. This wasn't a Russian problem until they got involved.

    I will give Russia credit for taking a stand without first going on hands & knees to get permission from the United Nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    No, both sides are at fault, and Russia reacts in generally the only way it ever does.
    True.. I feel that they are as much the aggressor...
    I'm just tired of Bushy condemning that which is convenient.
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    And so it begins................Germany occupies the Rhineland, and Europe does nothing.

    Russia invades Georgia and Europe and the UN do nothing..........Putin is on the march.:mad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaganForRus View Post
    And so it begins................Germany occupies the Rhineland, and Europe does nothing.

    Russia invades Georgia and Europe and the UN do nothing..........Putin is on the march.:mad:
    Of course the UN would do nothing. Did you expect something different. They are impotent.

    Did you know the Georgian troops were American trained? Reminds me of some Chalmer's Johnson material.

    Would you believe that pisses some people off like ....the Russians? And Clinton and Bushy, two dumbass administrations , have some responsibility.

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    Russia, Georgia, and the Western Alliance

    From the desk of Joshua Trevino

    The Russian war aim in Georgia, inasmuch as it may be discerned after a bare 48 hours of full combat, appears to be what I said it likely is: “the Russians [will] fully occupy South Ossetia, along with the other secessionist region of Georgia, Abkhazia; declare them both independent or somehow annexed; and thoroughly punish the Georgians with a countrywide air campaign targeting what meager infrastructure there is.” As if to swiftly confirm the hypothesis, we see today that the Abkhazians have joined the war, thus opening a second front against the Georgians. Quite nearly everything that can go wrong for the Caucasian republic has: Georgian forces have been fully ejected from South Ossetia; Russian troops are landing on the Abkhaz coast (it’s unclear whether at Sukhumi or Ochamchira); Russian air power is hitting strategic targets throughout Georgia; and at this writing — just after dawn in the Caucasus — a general Russian offensive may be underway.

    Mikheil Saakashvili’s government may have declared war and sued for peace in the space of a day, but events are in motion that render its wishes, contradictory as they are, wholly irrelevant.

    Georgia’s American-trained armed forces may make it a fight, but there are only two things that will save the little republic now: it’s enemies’ forbearance, or America (and by extention, NATO) itself. It’s the latter that Saakashvili and the Georgians are appealing to now: the latter march in the Tbilisi streets to demand Western intervention; and the Georgian president somewhat histrionically declares, “If the whole world does not stop Russia today, then Russian tanks will be able to reach any other European capital.” Herein lies the tragedy of this war, not just for Georgia, but for the United States and the West in general. Help for Georgia is not on the way, and it will not be. The NATO countries are bound to inaction by their existing commitments and the logic of their own actions — in Serbia.

    The Russian assault upon Georgia is justified — inasmuch as it is justifiable — on the same grounds as the 1999 NATO assault upon Serbia. A national minority desired secession, pursued that end with violent means, and called in a foreign protector when its struggle went bad. That foreign protector had its own agenda, of course: naivete, ignorance and self-regard fueled the Western intervention in Kosovo; and Machiavellian revisionism fuels the Russian intervention in Georgia. It must be remembered that the former led directly to the latter. In this space several months back, I warned that Kosovar independence would provide “a pretext for Russian action against American allies,” specifically in the Caucasus. And so it did, with Vladimir Putin retaliating for Kosovar independence by setting in motion the events that led to the present war. The Clinton Administration architects of the original Kosovo policy in 1999, and the Bush Administration architects who acquiesced to its logical end in 2008, bear a heavy responsibility for the blood shed in Georgia now.
    Still, the ultimate responsibility is Russia’s, which is now a plainly and violently revisionist power. No amount of Western naivete, ignorance and self-regard, nor Georgian blundering, could create this war without Russia’s will to strife. That will springs from multiple causes, some rooted in the nature of autocracy, and some rooted in the nature of the Russian national character; and it is directed toward the overturning of what is, for Russia, the central strategic outcome of the Cold War’s end. The late Alexander Solzhenitsyn, quoted in Wayne Allensworth’s The Russian Question, expresses the Russian sense of that outcome clearly:


    The trouble is not that the USSR broke up — that was inevitable. The real trouble, and a tangle for a long time to come, is that the breakup occurred mechanically along false Leninist borders, usurping from us entire Russian provinces. In several days, we lost 25 million ethnic Russians — 18 percent of our entire nation — and the government could not scrape up the courage even to take note of this dreadful event, a colossal historic defeat for Russia, and to declare its political disagreement with it.

    Here, then, the source of the popular resonance of Moscow’s claims that it attacks Georgia to protect its own, with the concurrent surge of Cossack and faux-Cossack volunteers into Ossetia.

    As Russian revisionism’s armed expression slowly crushes Georgia, the states with the most historical reason to fear Russia look on with mounting alarm. This extraordinary communique from the Presidents of Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, prompted by the Georgian war, denounces Russia’s “imperialist and revisionist policy in the East of Europe” with startlingly undiplomatic language. These nations are members of NATO and the European Union, and they look to their putative allies now to provide them with the protection and assurance that they expect. Thus we see the war in the Caucasus evolve into a litmus test for the basic institutions of the West itself. If those institutions fail, especially in the eyes of its most vulnerable members, then the suffering in Georgia will, in the long run, be mere prelude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwater View Post
    No, both sides are at fault, and Russia reacts in generally the only way it ever does.
    I read something that changes my opinion on this..... Were you aware that a proposal that would allow autonomy to both Georgia and Abkhazia through a federation was offered? Georgia balked at it because they believe the seperatists don't like any territorial integrity of a place like S. Ossetia.
    That makes Georgia the aggressor in my opinion.

    Now couple that with a worthless UN security.....and then our recent claims that the Caucus region is a "vital interest to U.S. security" (how often do we hear that these days..is there a place on the map that isn't a "vital security issue" to us.)

    There are so many misconceptions of how real a threat NATO is viewed by Russia and their international security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaganForRus View Post
    And so it begins................Germany occupies the Rhineland, and Europe does nothing.

    Russia invades Georgia and Europe and the UN do nothing..........Putin is on the march.:mad:
    HAHAHA I dont think so.
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