07-29-2010, 11:38 PM
Dude... you automatically fail for invoking Jefferson to defend the Federal Government stomping out State Rights.In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.
In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
07-29-2010, 11:39 PM
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Nice touch SV. You hit him back with his own Jefferson! I'm sure he didn't expect that. :D
07-29-2010, 11:50 PM
You cant run around the country pulling people over because they might be illegals then asking them to show identification to prove they arent. That's just not what the USA is supposed to be about. We have ideas like 'innocent before proven guilty' and search and seizure, ideas revolutionary for their time, but now staples of a set of freedoms that we've grown far too accustomed to.
Sure, it isnt expressly written in the constitution that you cant pull somebody over and ask if they are from this country or not; but that's not because of lack of a intent, more like lack of ingredients. Can you imagine Thomas Jefferson, someone the right seems to hold very dearly, coming out and agreeing with these policies? No, of course not. Because its counter to all the reasons we grew up loving this country.
There's the old saying "sacrifice freedom for security and you lose both" that everyone loves. It adds credence to the oft-ridiculed cliche that freedom isn't free; a motto some like to poke fun at but do admire in principle. It's always been the moral to our story, that we make no sacrifices in our principles against our enemies because it lowers ourselves to their level. That was supposed to be our identity, but its not anymore.
We are terrified of these invisible enemies nowadays: terrorism, communism, socialism, illegal immigrants.
We've grown xenophobic of outside influences like the United Nations, European Union and International Criminal Courts.
We see ourselves as #1 and as a consequence, everyone else as a challenger.We complain tirelessly about the outsourcing of jobs, while at the same time ignoring the years of policy that enouraged it.
We go to war in two countries across the globe for marginal reasons.
But this is the crux of it, we've rarely let the threat of an international problem influence our domestic freedoms.
This is a step towards it. An incredible step towards watering down our only cultural identify (freedom) for the sake of security.
A step we all thought we were too strong and principled to take. The law passed in Arizona, whether it is redundant with federal law or not, has done more to destroy what America is about than 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the Gulf spill, the wars, and the '08 crisis put together. We got scared into believing all the horror stories are true, that this is a battle where America is at stake. Of course we got the enemy confused. Like always, its never been the outside power as much as its been ourselves. Our own capacity to lower ourselves has always been our greatest enemy, and the greatest enemy of any democracy.
It is what doomed post-WW1 Germany, and eventually it is what will doom us. The only way it will work is if we are complicit and from the looks of it we are.Stand up for what is right, even if you have to stand alone.
07-30-2010, 01:29 AMWe are terrified of these invisible enemies nowadays: terrorism, communism, socialism, illegal immigrants.
Invisible indeed. Tell that to the families of those who are kidnapped.Deplorably Proud To Be An American
07-30-2010, 03:51 PM
To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem.
(signed) Thomas Jefferson
"A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. "
"Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations."
If Jefferson had a DU account today, he'd be banned in all of 15 seconds. :)
07-31-2010, 01:28 PM
Sic Hacer Pace, Para Bellum.
Before you can do things for people, you must be the kind of man who can get things done. But to get things done, you must love the doing, not the people!
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