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    Many women in Russia's volatile Chechnya region said on Friday they had been harassed and some physically harmed by bands of men for not wearing head scarves during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.

    Against the backdrop of a spreading Islamist insurgency, many fear that growing interest in radical Islam could fuel separatism in the volatile North Caucasus, where the Kremlin watches uneasily as sharia law eclipses Russian.

    Residents and witnesses told Reuters that bearded men in traditional Islamic dress have been roaming the streets both on foot and in cars since Ramadan started on Aug. 11, demanding bare-headed women wear a head scarf.
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    And there are those who want Sharia Law to be used here, claiming that it's compatible with the US Constitution. Guess they missed that whole Bill of Rights thing...
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    The religion of peace strikes again. . . .
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    Do you guys have any understanding at all of Chechnya's recent history? Russia has been turning the place into a parking lot every 4 or 5 years. It's not the religion that's making the place look like something out of Mad Max, its the routine bombings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Do you guys have any understanding at all of Chechnya's recent history? Russia has been turning the place into a parking lot every 4 or 5 years. It's not the religion that's making the place look like something out of Mad Max, its the routine bombings.
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    harassed and some physically harmed by bands of men for not wearing head scarves during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.
    makes you think it has ANYTHING to do with Russia and everything to do with islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Do you guys have any understanding at all of Chechnya's recent history? Russia has been turning the place into a parking lot every 4 or 5 years. It's not the religion that's making the place look like something out of Mad Max, its the routine bombings.
    Uh, no.

    Cyhechnya has certainly suffered under the Russians. Stalin's forced migration of the Chechens in the 1940s alone killed hundreds of thousands of them (possibly up to half of the Chechen population), but the Chechens weren't angels, even if they were not radically Islamic prior to the end of Soviet rule, they just hated the Russians (there had been flare ups of rebellion against Russian rule during every period of instability in Russia, even prior to the Soviets). Unfortunately, the WWII rebellion was in collusion with the Nazis, which made them unloved throughout the world. How much of this was opportunistic and how much ideological is not known, but the diversion of critical forces to put down the Chechens during the Battle of Stalingrad thoroughly pissed off Stalin and resulted in the forced migration.

    When the Chechens rebelled in the aftermath of the collapse of the USSR and briefly achieved independence, the Islamists saw an opportunity to expand the global jihad and recruit. Saudi money bought weapons and financed Salafist/Wahhabi mosques that proceeded to radicalize as man Chechens as they could, with the result that the war has become bloodier. The Second Chechen War brought Chechniya back under Russian control, and that's been the status quo for the last few years. Putin has used the depredations of the Chechens (the deliberate targetting of children in Beslan, or civilians in a Moscow theater) as an excuse to tighten his hold on the security apparatus of Russia.

    In other words, the Russians are bastards, but the Chechens, having bought into militant Islam, are now equal bastards.

    You really ought to study history. You would make far fewer gaffes, for one thing, and your sweeping statements would be informed by something beyond your immediate prejudices and the DNC's latest talking points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Uh, no.

    Cyhechnya has certainly suffered under the Russians. Stalin's forced migration of the Chechens in the 1940s alone killed hundreds of thousands of them (possibly up to half of the Chechen population), but the Chechens weren't angels, even if they were not radically Islamic prior to the end of Soviet rule, they just hated the Russians (there had been flare ups of rebellion against Russian rule during every period of instability in Russia, even prior to the Soviets). Unfortunately, the WWII rebellion was in collusion with the Nazis, which made them unloved throughout the world. How much of this was opportunistic and how much ideological is not known, but the diversion of critical forces to put down the Chechens during the Battle of Stalingrad thoroughly pissed off Stalin and resulted in the forced migration.

    When the Chechens rebelled in the aftermath of the collapse of the USSR and briefly achieved independence, the Islamists saw an opportunity to expand the global jihad and recruit. Saudi money bought weapons and financed Salafist/Wahhabi mosques that proceeded to radicalize as man Chechens as they could, with the result that the war has become bloodier. The Second Chechen War brought Chechniya back under Russian control, and that's been the status quo for the last few years. Putin has used the depredations of the Chechens (the deliberate targetting of children in Beslan, or civilians in a Moscow theater) as an excuse to tighten his hold on the security apparatus of Russia.

    In other words, the Russians are bastards, but the Chechens, having bought into militant Islam, are now equal bastards.

    You really ought to study history. You would make far fewer gaffes, for one thing, and your sweeping statements would be informed by something beyond your immediate prejudices and the DNC's latest talking points.
    Yeah all those talking points regarding the Chechen conflict, cant get enough of those.

    The first part of your post is meaningless, just your typical pretentious wank to self-glorify all this textbook regurgitation.

    Here's your problem Ody, you are woefully incapable of reading in between the lines. What does Saudi Arabia produce a holy shitload of? The same stuff that squirts up in the Caucasus. Saudi support for the Chechens isn't out of some religiously driven desire for a global Islamic caliphate, its business. The Chechen conflict has hampered Russian oil production, which means less oil on the market, which means higher prices for oil, which ultimately means more money for the Saudi's. If you knew the slightest bit about Saudi politics you'd know they would throw Islam right out the window if it meant bigger heaps of money flowing in.

    Whatever, you'll come up with whatever justification you can for your Holy War. I'm staying in the 21st century where even the simplest economics and power disparities can easily explain the persistence of so many ethnic conflicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Yeah all those talking points regarding the Chechen conflict, cant get enough of those.

    The first part of your post is meaningless, just your typical pretentious wank to self-glorify all this textbook regurgitation.

    Here's your problem Ody, you are woefully incapable of reading in between the lines. What does Saudi Arabia produce a holy shitload of? The same stuff that squirts up in the Caucasus. Saudi support for the Chechens isn't out of some religiously driven desire for a global Islamic caliphate, its business. The Chechen conflict has hampered Russian oil production, which means less oil on the market, which means higher prices for oil, which ultimately means more money for the Saudi's. If you knew the slightest bit about Saudi politics you'd know they would throw Islam right out the window if it meant bigger heaps of money flowing in.

    Whatever, you'll come up with whatever justification you can for your Holy War. I'm staying in the 21st century where even the simplest economics and power disparities can easily explain the persistence of so many ethnic conflicts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Here's your problem Ody, you are woefully incapable of reading in between the lines. What does Saudi Arabia produce a holy shitload of? The same stuff that squirts up in the Caucasus. Saudi support for the Chechens isn't out of some religiously driven desire for a global Islamic caliphate, its business. The Chechen conflict has hampered Russian oil production, which means less oil on the market, which means higher prices for oil, which ultimately means more money for the Saudi's. If you knew the slightest bit about Saudi politics you'd know they would throw Islam right out the window if it meant bigger heaps of money flowing in.
    You stupid fuck. Ever heard of Wahhabi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KhrushchevsShoe View Post
    Whatever, you'll come up with whatever justification you can for your Holy War. I'm staying in the 21st century where even the simplest economics and power disparities can easily explain the persistence of so many ethnic conflicts.
    Translated: I don't care about historical facts in record. I'm going to believe that this whole conflict was about oil production regardless of any evidence to the contrary, because Islam is a good and peaceful religion despite all evidence to the contrary. After all, the DNC tells me so.

    Get a book called My Jihad, and read it. It describes, in detail, the motivation behind a Muslim who left a comfortable life in California to Jihad in Chechnya. Yeah, I'm sure he was thinking about Saudi Arabia's oil production that whole time.
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