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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanicus View Post
    It has to be forced , the GOP is obstructing. They insist every bill needs 60 to get passed.
    No ass munch. Senate rules dictate it takes 60 votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    No ass munch. Senate rules dictate it takes 60 votes.
    They are still obstructionists
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanicus View Post
    They are still obstructionists
    We've covered this before. Being an obstructionist would be voting against something just to spite it. Voting in favor of what your consituents demand is not.

    It would be a lot easier to say that Dems are obstructionist for voting for something like Obamacare, when the majority of American's did not want it. Congress is not our masters Satanicus, it's the other way around.
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    [QUOTE=djones520;304669]We've covered this before. Being an obstructionist would be voting against something just to spite it. Voting in favor of what your consituents demand is not.

    It would be a lot easier to say that Dems are obstructionist for voting for something like Obamacare, when the majority of American's did not want it. Congress is not our masters Satanicus, it's the other way around.[/QUOTE]

    Then why is the GOP against the PO ? ... Most Americans want a PO.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    We've covered this before. Being an obstructionist would be voting against something just to spite it. Voting in favor of what your consituents demand is not.

    It would be a lot easier to say that Dems are obstructionist for voting for something like Obamacare, when the majority of American's did not want it. Congress is not our masters Satanicus, it's the other way around.[/QUOTE]

    Then why is the GOP against the PO ? ... Most Americans want a PO.
    *sighs* Stop citing old misleading polls.

    What people want is the OPTION. Something Obamacare took away. Something a "Public Option" as you would call it would eventually take away as well. Nobody wants to be forced to do anything. The right to choose is what everyone wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    We've covered this before. Being an obstructionist would be voting against something just to spite it. Voting in favor of what your consituents demand is not.

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    Perhaps you don't know what an obstructionist is.

    You claim they are casting votes "against something" , but the GOP uses the fillibuster and doesn't even want the chance to cast a vote against the bill.

    Get it ? They don't even want a chance to vote.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanicus View Post
    Perhaps you don't know what an obstructionist is.

    You claim they are casting votes "against something" , but the GOP uses the fillibuster and doesn't even want the chance to cast a vote against the bill.

    Get it ? They don't even want a chance to vote.
    Incase you haven't noticed, the Republicans haven't had the votes to shut down anything that the constituents have asked them to until recently. The fillibuster is the only tool available. In most cases, the Dems still had the votes to shut it down by a cloture vote, rendering your point moot.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post

    *sighs* Stop citing old misleading polls.

    What people want is the OPTION. Something Obamacare took away. Something a "Public Option" as you would call it would eventually take away as well. Nobody wants to be forced to do anything. The right to choose is what everyone wants.
    Link ? ... You just made a claim that all the polls on the PO are misleading.

    What is wrong with these polls....... waiting.

    Newsweek http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/2/20/18339/5886

    Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203

    Research 2000 (says even some red states want a PO) http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-still-popular

    CBS http://rawstory.com/2009/12/sixty-pe...public-option/

    USA Today http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/...n-health-care/

    NYT posted on Drudge http://www.drudge.com/archive/125514...-public-option
     

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    Show the data. How many of those polls explain what a Public Option is? How many of them asked if they wanted government ran healthcare, instead of a coy misdirecting name?

    That is why you people call it the Public Option, it's a misleading name. It leads people to think that they will have a choice, when in the end they will not, and we all know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    Show the data. How many of those polls explain what a Public Option is? How many of them asked if they wanted government ran healthcare, instead of a coy misdirecting name?

    That is why you people call it the Public Option, it's a misleading name. It leads people to think that they will have a choice, when in the end they will not, and we all know it.
    You couldn't be more wrong , and I can tell you failed to look at the polls... for example ...

    Creating a government-administered public health insurance option to compete with private plans
    50 APPROVE 42 OPPOSE 8 DK

    Imposing a tax on insurers who offer the most expensive health plans, the so-called Cadillac plans, to help pay for health care reform
    34 APPROVE 55 DISAPPROVE 11 DK


    Admit it , these polls show Americans want a PO ... and after debating it for a year , they know what a PO is. And it DOES leave them a choice between a PO and a Private policy. Get a clue.

    Why don't you post a link that backs up your claim that a PO takes away their choice .... WAITING....AGAIN.
     

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