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    I think it's pointless to ascribe any real political bent to someone who was simply psychotic. I'm just glad he went out alone without taking anyone with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Does this stupid fuck not realize that excluding immigration, the US and most western nations are on the verge of negative birth rates??
    You read his manifesto. He was impervious to facts. Do you think that any of the other zero-population tools at DU are any more open to new informaiton?
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    I bet he was a DUer. And I hate to beat a dead horse, but not one mention of his ideology. This guy was a left wing loon if there ever was one yet not one mention of liberal or left wing ideology. As I said, had this person been a neo-nazi, the terms right wing and conservative would have been used countless times.
    The DUers are trying to spin him as an anti-immigration guy. It's actually kind of funny that so many of them object to calling him an "environmentalist."
    The media buys into the trope that calling someone a leftist, socialist, communist or any of the other terms their for believers that they have rendered toxic through, well, experience with them, is a vicious slander. Thus, there are not now, nor have there ever been left wing nutters, socialists or communists, (except for Stalin, maybe, and they think that he just didn't do it right), and anyone who says otherwise is the second coming of Joe McCarthy. They are now progressives, and since progressives are anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-Western Civilization, unlike this guy, who was... okay, he was anti-war, anti-capitalist and anti-Western Civilization, but he was also anti-immigration, so that means that he must have been a right wing nutter, because nothing bad ever comes from the left...
    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    I think it's pointless to ascribe any real political bent to someone who was simply psychotic. I'm just glad he went out alone without taking anyone with him.
    I agree that it's good that he didn't take anyone with him, but no matter how crazy he is (and the term "bat$#/+" comes to mind), his very detailed manifesto could have been lifted off of PETA's webside. Except for the live ordnance, this guy would have been perfectly at home at DU, or any of the nutty left enviro-wackjob organizations that run around splashing paint on old ladies in fur coats (but never bikers in leather... funny about that...) and otherwise making a nuisance of themselves in support of their idiocy. I'd be shocked if Lee hadn't been around for at least one anti-globalization riot. His manifesto differed from Gore's book in that Gore had a proofreader and an editor (and, to be fair, I can't imagine Gore showing that much emotion), but otherwise, this guy was a perfect fit for the left, and the proof is how hard they are working to spin him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    I think it's pointless to ascribe any real political bent to someone who was simply psychotic. I'm just glad he went out alone without taking anyone with him.
    That's an apologists spin on it. Did conservatives get any such leeway when the media described McVeigh or Rudolph? No, they tried to paint those people as representative of the entire conservative movement. I can guarantee you that if even one nutbag does something similar and claim it in the name of the Tea Parties, you can bet your bippy that the leftist media will fall all over themselves filling their articles with terms like "right wing", "conservative" an worse yet, paint that person as representative of the millions of Tea Party supporters. For you to deny this fact is sugarcoating the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    That's an apologists spin on it. Did conservatives get any such leeway when the media described McVeigh or Rudolph? No, they tried to paint those people as representative of the entire conservative movement. I can guarantee you that if even one nutbag does something similar and claim it in the name of the Tea Parties, you can bet your bippy that the leftist media will fall all over themselves filling their articles with terms like "right wing", "conservative" an worse yet, paint that person as representative of the millions of Tea Party supporters. For you to deny this fact is sugarcoating the news.
    OK, that's a fair point. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by linda22003 View Post
    OK, that's a fair point. :)
    That's the only real point.

    Are there people on the right who would love to paint all environmentalists with that same brush? Of course. Does he represent all leftists? No. Does he represent even half of them? No. Is Al Gore the blame for inciting him to violence? Of course not.

    If he was a right winger, would the media paint all of us as extremists? They already try to with the Muslim cabbie getting sliced up. Does that guy represent all right wingers? According to the media, he does. Is the Tea Party and Beck to blame for the cabbie getting sliced up? If you listen to the media, you'd think so.

    People on the right just want the same benefit of the doubt that the left gets. We get tired of Headline: "right winger blows up Federal Building" vs. "Lone psycho holds up Discovery Channel building".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    That's the only real point.

    Are there people on the right who would love to paint all environmentalists with that same brush? Of course. Does he represent all leftists? No. Does he represent even half of them? No. Is Al Gore the blame for inciting him to violence? Of course not.

    If he was a right winger, would the media paint all of us as extremists? They already try to with the Muslim cabbie getting sliced up. Does that guy represent all right wingers? According to the media, he does. Is the Tea Party and Beck to blame for the cabbie getting sliced up? If you listen to the media, you'd think so.

    People on the right just want the same benefit of the doubt that the left gets. We get tired of Headline: "right winger blows up Federal Building" vs. "Lone psycho holds up Discovery Channel building".
    Worse yet, right wingers and Tea Partiers get blamed for stuff that turned out to be done by leftists and there is never a correction or apology from the left. Ever. Look at the census worker murder. It turned out he committed suicide. Here are 2 blogs from 2 idiots on Huffpo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gail-m..._b_300898.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richar..._b_300156.html

    Both blamed this on anti-government sentiment which, of course, mean Tea Parties. When it was determined that the man killed himself, the response? Cricket chirps. This is how the left works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    That's the only real point.

    Are there people on the right who would love to paint all environmentalists with that same brush? Of course. Does he represent all leftists? No. Does he represent even half of them? No. Is Al Gore the blame for inciting him to violence? Of course not.

    If he was a right winger, would the media paint all of us as extremists? They already try to with the Muslim cabbie getting sliced up. Does that guy represent all right wingers? According to the media, he does. Is the Tea Party and Beck to blame for the cabbie getting sliced up? If you listen to the media, you'd think so.

    People on the right just want the same benefit of the doubt that the left gets. We get tired of Headline: "right winger blows up Federal Building" vs. "Lone psycho holds up Discovery Channel building".
    Except that this guy actually said that Gore's movie "awakened" him. Let's play "Who said it?":

    "Find solutions for global warming, automotive pollution, international trade, factory pollution, and... the destruction of the planet!"
    "assault on the earth is breathtaking, and the horrific consequences are occurring so quickly as to defy our capacity to recognize them, comprehend their global implications, and organize an appropriate and timely response. Isolated pockets of resistance fighters who have experienced this juggernaut at first hand have begun to fight back in inspiring but, in the final analysis, woefully inadequate ways."
    "One of the effects of the intrusion of industrial society has been that over much of the world traditional controls on population have been thrown out of balance. Hence the population explosion, with all that it implies...No one knows what will happen as a result of ozone depletion, the greenhouse effect and other environmental problems that cannot yet be foreseen."
    The first was by Jason Jay Lee. The second, Al Gore, in his book, Earth In The Balance. The third, and surprisingly, the best written, was by Ted Kaczynski, a.k.a. the Unabomber. Oh, and guess what they found in Kaczynski's shack: Yep, a copy of Earth In The Balance.

    I submit that under the rules established by the media, he does represent all leftists and environmentalists and Al Gore did incite him. The headlines should read:
    • Leftwing Environmentalist Whack Job Takes Hostages in Discovery Channel Building.
    • Leftist Disciple of Al Gore Holds Up Discovery Channel, Demands More Leftist Programming.
    • Did Hateful Environmentalist Rhetoric Against BP Lead Lee to Rampage?
    • Crazy Discovery Channel Gunman: "I did it for the squirrels! Especially the squirrels!"
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