Thread: The American Form of Government
#1 The American Form of Government08-16-2008, 04:15 PM
I posted this video in a reply to another thread, but figured it deserves a thread of its own. Its a very enlightning treatise on the American form of government, in comparison to other forms of government. Every Republican should find this interesting, though unlike the Democrats you may know most of the material presented here already. In any case, I find it very inspiring.
08-16-2008, 04:36 PM
Last edited by IanMartins; 08-16-2008 at 04:41 PM.
08-16-2008, 06:37 PM
This was a better response than what you deserved.
08-16-2008, 07:04 PMUbi Dubium Ibi Libertas
08-16-2008, 07:36 PM
"Constitutional Republic" is one of the many forms of government under the umbrella term of "Republic". This is the base of the American form of government. The democratic process through which our representatives are elected falls under the umbrella term of "Constitutional Republic", since the powers of the democratically elected representatives are limited by the Constitution.
SonnabendGuest08-16-2008, 08:01 PM
Democracy: Majority over Man
In both the direct type and the representative type of Democracy, The majority’s power is absolute and unlimited; its decisions are unappealable under the legal system established to give effect to this form of government. This opens the door to unlimited tyranny-by-majority
The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution--adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment--with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.
08-16-2008, 08:55 PM
A Liberal democracy is a representative democracy in which the ability of the elected representatives to exercise decision-making power is subject to the rule of law, and usually moderated by a constitution that emphasizes the protection of the rights and freedoms of individuals, and which places constraints on the leaders and on the extent to which the will of the majority can be exercised against the rights of minorities (see civil liberties).
A liberal democracy may take the form of a constitutional republic or a constitutional monarchy. Some publications would characterize certain nations which happen to be currently ruled by Christian democrats, Socialists or conservatives as liberal democracies, despite the fact that the governing party may or may not espouse policies that are aligned with either classical liberalism or contemporary "liberal" (or left-wing) ideals, as long as the underlying governmental structure includes respect for the aforementioned rights.
There is general agreement that the states of the European Union, Japan, the United States, Canada, India, South Africa, Israel, Australia, and New Zealand are liberal democracies, with India currently being the largest in the world.
So, there you have it. Okay?
You're not wrong to point out the difference between a republic and a democracy. All I'm saying is that there is some overlap here.
Last edited by The Night Owl; 08-16-2008 at 11:50 PM.Ubi Dubium Ibi Libertas
08-17-2008, 05:32 AM
Remember that the modern day American definition of "Liberal" is a perversion caused by the Democratic Party (by their definition, it practically means "Socialist"). In the true definition of the word, "Liberal" means someone who consider individual liberty to be the most important political goal. Thomas Jefferson, Adam Smith and John Locke were true Liberals. The source that you pulled that definition (Liberal Democracy) is a British one, I believe, and for all their flaws, the British still have the correct definition intact.
Regardless, the term "Liberal Democracy" did not exist when the United States was founded. Its a term that was defined in more modern days. Like I said, the word "democracy" does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, nor in the U.S. Constitution or in any of the constitutions of the 50 states. The Founding Fathers were very vocal about the United States not being a democracy, as history had taught them the horrible long-term consequences of such a system.
Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.-- John AdamsIt had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.-- Alexander HamiltonA democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. –Thomas Jefferson”A democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
A word can only have one true objective identity. If you go to the core of the word, a Democracy refers to unlimited majority rule, a social system in which one's work, one's property, one's mind, and one's life are at the mercy of any gang that may muster the vote of a majority at any moment for any purpose. A Constitutional Republic is a form of government restricted to the protection of individual rights. In such a system, majority rule is applicable only to lesser details, such as the selection of certain personnel. But the majority has no say over the basic principles governing the government. It has no power to ask for or gain the infringement of individual rights.
The United States is a Constitutional Republic. It may however be argued that it has unlawfully degraded towards being a Democracy ever since 1930, and that it continues to do so despite the noble efforts of Ronald Reagan, who at least managed to give us more time.
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