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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    BTW, Death in Gaza has been thoroughly debunked. It's clumsy propaganda. A few points, though:

    At no point in the film is the Israeli side shown. The context, a state of siege in which Arab states refuse any peace with Israel and use Palestinians as pawns, is ignored.
    I doubt you actually watched the documentary. Multiple times they state the intention was to film both sides of the conflict but the filmmaker was shot and killed by the IDF before the film was finished. It's hardly a move of propaganda that he didn't film in Israel, he was dead.

    Even without intending to do it, the directors show the deliberate incitements in the Palestinianschools, culture of martyrdom and hatred of Jews that makes the region what it is. There rallies that call for shahids and glorify death would be horrific if shown in any other place (Imagine a German classroom in 1939 with a similar theme). But the film clearly shows a dysfunctional Palestinian culture based on hatred and a refusal to take responsibility.
    Yes, the film does show children being taught at a very early age that the source of all their hardships is "the evil jew" and pro-martyrdom propaganda is everywhere. The film doesn't try to hide this, this is the reality there.

    The two Palestinian Aboys shown packing homemade grenades with explosives, and the one boy who provides a lookout for the terrorists are victims, but not of the Israelis. The use of children is as combatants or to support combatants is a war crime under international law.
    You're trying too hard to point out blame and identify a Good Guy and Bad Guy. It's not that simple.



    Saira Shah states that Israeli gunfire was responsible for the death of film-maker James Miller. That's an impressive ballistic analysis, what with the shooting coming from all sides, in the dark. It wouldn't be the first time that Paleistinians blamed Israelis for a death that they, themselves, caused. In fact, the standard narrative in the Middle East is for Arabs to create a horrific situation and then blame everyone but themselves for it.
    lol okay it's all fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Multiple times they state the intention was to film both sides of the conflict but the filmmaker was shot and killed by the IDF before the film was finished. It's hardly a move of propaganda that he didn't film in Israel, he was dead.
    So the point stands, it's propaganda. The film-maker was killed and instead of following his intentions, they went with the one-sided story...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    I doubt you actually watched the documentary. Multiple times they state the intention was to film both sides of the conflict but the filmmaker was shot and killed by the IDF before the film was finished. It's hardly a move of propaganda that he didn't film in Israel, he was dead.



    Yes, the film does show children being taught at a very early age that the source of all their hardships is "the evil jew" and pro-martyrdom propaganda is everywhere. The film doesn't try to hide this, this is the reality there.



    You're trying too hard to point out blame and identify a Good Guy and Bad Guy. It's not that simple.





    lol okay it's all fake.
    Seems as if you have posted this crap before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    I doubt you actually watched the documentary. Multiple times they state the intention was to film both sides of the conflict but the filmmaker was shot and killed by the IDF before the film was finished. It's hardly a move of propaganda that he didn't film in Israel, he was dead.
    Can you provide any proof beyond the hysterical catterwauling of the other filmmaker that he was killed by the IDF and not the Palestinians?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Yes, the film does show children being taught at a very early age that the source of all their hardships is "the evil jew" and pro-martyrdom propaganda is everywhere. The film doesn't try to hide this, this is the reality there.
    Yes, it is. And yet, the "evil Jew" feeds, clothes and houses these people, provides them with medical services, electricity, running water and all of the other creature comforts that they take for granted.
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    You're trying too hard to point out blame and identify a Good Guy and Bad Guy. It's not that simple.
    In my world, teaching children to murder is something done by bad guys. Teaching children to hate is something done by bad guys. Puttng children in harm's way for cheap propaganda is something done by bad guys. Trying to pretend that there is somehow anything that mitigates these things is something done by apologists for bad guys. It is that simple, if you haven't had your conscience numbed by moral relativism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    lol okay it's all fake.
    Okay, you want to believe that Israelis kill children and reporters indiscriminately, while the terrorists who put children in the line of fire are good guys, that's your mental malfunction. If you want to ignore the proof that Palestinians have faked atrocities or, worse, committed them and blamed their enemies, that's your perogative. It's a free country. And let's hope that you don't get enough power to change that.

    Meanwhile, here are a few examples of "dead" Palestinians who, while en route to their funerals, suddenly got better. Nothing fake there....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRz5W...eature=related
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    They sure do:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06655i1Z-p0


    That documentary shows what it's like growing up in Palestine and you can easily see what makes these kids filled with hatred and ready to pick up a gun and die when they are 12 years old
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Graduation ceremony at a Hamas kindergarten in Gaza.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHdW...eature=related

    Check out the subtitles for the chant at 3:43 and ask yourself, at that age, what you wanted to be when you grew up, and what would have happened if you'd told a teacher that you wanted to die for God?


    I grew up in the world of the calvinists. It would all depend on the teacher in question. Some would have been encouraging of that goal, in the sense that a missionary risks his or her life at times, or the sacrifices made by christians and others fighting Nazi Germany. Or the way Jesus did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I grew up in the world of the calvinists. It would all depend on the teacher in question. Some would have been encouraging of that goal, in the sense that a missionary risks his or her life at times, or the sacrifices made by christians and others fighting Nazi Germany. Or the way Jesus did.
    Not even close to the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jfor View Post
    Not even close to the same thing.

    But it is to them-the suicidal terrorists do believe that they are sacrificing themselves for their God. To them, it is an honor to die for Allah. Christians feel the same way about dying for Jesus name. The only difference is that the terrorist takes out a bunch of innocent people with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    But it is to them-the suicidal terrorists do believe that they are sacrificing themselves for their God. To them, it is an honor to die for Allah. Christians feel the same way about dying for Jesus name. The only difference is that the terrorist takes out a bunch of innocent people with him.
    That is not exactly a trivial difference.

    That's like saying that the Buddhist monk who immolates himself as a protest differs from the Muslims who took down the WTC in that the Buddhist only sets himself on fire, while Mohammed Atta and his crew cremated 3,000 people along with themselves. Other than that, it's all the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    But it is to them-the suicidal terrorists do believe that they are sacrificing themselves for their God. To them, it is an honor to die for Allah. Christians feel the same way about dying for Jesus name. The only difference is that the terrorist takes out a bunch of innocent people with him.
    the suicidal terrorists as you call them were recruited and selected because they were weak willed and weak minded. they had nothing to lose by dying. no hope no future. but this changed as many of them were no longer willing to die. instead chosing to take they're families and run for they're lives.
    so the terrorists went after the young, women, old people to do they're dirty work
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