09-30-2010, 11:48 PM
10-01-2010, 11:07 AM
I hardly think anyone else carrying a gun would have prevented this man from killing himself and probably would have made the panicky, frantic search for subjects and weapons MUCH more difficult for the police
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10-01-2010, 12:09 PM
Yep because when the entire campus is on lock down and SWAT arrives with an APC and dozens of police are sweeping the area with what look like automatic rifles, what is best to aid in the process of reducing casualities and clearing the area of all threats - is a wild west style shooting spree with 150 rednecks scared shitless and firing their gun at whatever they believe are possible threats to themselves.
10-01-2010, 12:12 PM
People who call for stuff like that live in a weird fantasy world where everyone is an expert marksman, with cold uberrational emotionless self-interested reason like a god damn batman. In this world, whenever a Bad Guy starts trouble with his Gun, every Good Guy spins around, takes aim, and shoots the Bad Guy down and everyone enjoys a round of drinks until the police come and they all get medals.
10-01-2010, 12:16 PM
In real life, unless you have special training (and sometimes especially then, if you're dealing with something like undiagnosed PTSD) , most people panic at the site of violence, guns, and a disruption of the social order. People panic and run, hide, or try to fight. Most people don't fight because they cannot, but if they were able to, t hey would. The problem is that panicked people are not rational people, they make mistakes, they may not shoot well, they may exacerbate the problem more easily that they may solve it. The police were ready to shoot anyone they saw with a firearm when this happened, having a bunch of people with concealed guns is not going to make any process of solving the problem easier, only harder. You end up with dozens of suspects, the police need to bring even greater degrees of force in case of the unpredictable happening with dozens of armed subjects, it's chaos.
Maybe this would have worked in the wild west, maybe even in modern rural areas, but in high population density areas, trained police who can be held accountable for their actions need to be the ones with the weapons, not any John Deer Smith who knows how to Get R Done when hog hunting every saturday.
10-01-2010, 12:32 PM
Remember when seconds count the cops are minutes away.
10-01-2010, 12:35 PM
CCW have to jump through alot of hoops to get that not to mention and I am willing to bet spend TONS more time at the range then most cops.
Let me know what other Constitutional rights we can do away with.
10-01-2010, 01:23 PM--Odysseus
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