#1 Glenn Beck on Socialism. Sarah Palin was the most Socialist of the 2008 candidates??10-03-2010, 12:54 AM
Hahaha this is fantastic.
Well everyone loves to talk about socialism as if it's something that's well known, and this video featuring Glenn Beck demonstrates the problem with this.
As you can see, Glenn Beck is very, very loose with the term "Socialist", to which he applies to many programs and even countries that the Actual Socialist Vising The Program states outright are not socialist things.
Beck emphasizes how important it is to talk to real socialists if this is something America is dealing with today, and this socialist seems to disagree fundamentally on what socialism is. Beck of course scoffs it off with clownish behavior, funny faces and jokes, but the guest is very accurate.
The best point:
Of the 4 candidates on the ballot for the 2008 Presidential /Vice Presidential election, Sarah Palin was the most socialist.
Why? Because as Governor, she decided that oil profits would be collectively owned by the people of Alaska, and passed legislation that took money from oil companies and distributed it among the masses.
Holy shit that's a slam dunk. Beck is literally speechless so he makes funny faces.
The problem I see here is that not only are the two sides of debate not seeing things differently, they are using the same words to signify extremely different things, so when a Tea Party person talks about Socialism and an actual Socialist talks about Socialism, they are talking about VERY different things.
10-03-2010, 12:59 AMSolve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf
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10-03-2010, 01:00 AM
Case in point -
Tea Party people seem to think Obama is a Socialist or is "the most socialist" of recent history, while self-described socialists don't consider Obama socialistic at all. Why this disconnect? Is it fair for socialists to define what "conservative" means?
10-03-2010, 01:28 AM
You'll notice the guest brings up an interesting point, again to which is only met by laughter - the United States is ruled by the two most capitalist political parties on the planet.
This can be verified, examine other countries and find any party holding significant power (not just a single seat in a packed legislature) that's more pro-capitalism than the Republicans or the Democrats.
Tea Party folk love to make Democrats look far left, borderning on Socialism, while in reality they are also far right, just not as extremely far right as Republicans. Someone must be wrong, it seems there's a big disconnect between perception and reality. As my other thread suggests, the American public doesn't seem to be aware of our own state as a society.
10-03-2010, 01:46 AM
Glenn Beck's entire shtick is based on a few things:
1. America is on the road to Socialism.
2. Socialism is evil and means taking your freedoms or your stuff away.
3. Democrats lean far far left,and are helping push America towards Socialism.
This actual self-described Socialist undermines each of these points. That wouldn't be such a big deal but Glenn Beck and the right-wing echo chamber that includes Fox News, talk radio, and publications such as National Review are the ideological kindling for the Tea Party rage. The entire Tea Party shtick is based on the exact same misconceptions, and Beck was always very present with the Tea Party and promoted them often.
The actual socialists are trying to tell you that these are all misconceptions about socialism. It undermines the entire movement.
10-03-2010, 02:04 AM
I really think people don't even understand what socialism is or where we are as a country today. Another example:
Cavuto doesn't even know what to call it, and incorrectly calls it a type of government. The liberal dude calls out that we are WAY off to the right, not even close to Socialism and everyone starts yelling.
The lady totally gets it wrong claiming that socialists want to take away your house or car.
There's no examples of conservatives speaking about socialism in a real way rather than just laughing it off or arguing against straw men.
10-03-2010, 02:08 AM
Another example: A conservative commentator is asked directly and very simply: what's wrong with a little socialism?
He has NO ANSWER! He stumbles over his words, says the constitution and democracy, which is ridiculous. Socialism is MORE democratic, it's the democratization of the workplace! Conservatives are unable to talk about this in a sensible way, totally incapable.
After stumbling over his words he says "I can't believe you even asked that question!" as if we aren't supposed to ask the basic questions about what socialism is or why it's bad, but we are supposed to use it as a boogyman for every single argument that's out there. Silly.
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