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    By Mark Hughes and Jerome Taylor

    Thursday, 14 October 2010

    A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage.

    Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.

    His comments have angered senior police officers, who say that such statements undermine the work they do to encourage women to report rape, a notoriously under-reported crime.

    Sheikh Sayeed made the comments in an interview with the blog The Samosa, before reiterating them later when contacted by The Independent.

    He told the website: "Clearly there cannot be any rape within the marriage. Maybe aggression, maybe indecent activity... Because when they got married, the understanding was that sexual intercourse was part of the marriage, so there cannot be anything against sex in marriage. Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable."

    Later he told this newspaper: "In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape."

    British law was changed in 1991, making rape within marriage illegal.

    Dave Whatton, Chief Constable of Cheshire and spokesman on rape for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We know that the majority of rapes do not take place through strangers attacking women late at night but between acquaintances and within marriages and partnerships.

    "It is a fundamental principle that sharia law should not replace the laws of the UK. Putting out views that rape can be dealt with in another way fundamentally undermines everything we are trying to do."

    The cleric's comments come just days after Germaine Greer suggested that rape victims should name and shame their attackers online instead of reporting it to the police.

    Mr Whatton added: "The comments of Sheikh Sayeed and Germaine Greer suggest there are other ways of dealing with rape. If that happens, victims of rape do not get the medical and counselling support they need to overcome this traumatic experience – and we are not in a position to effectively prosecute offenders."

    In the interview on the website, Sheikh Sayeed suggests that women who claim to have been raped by their husbands should not immediately go to the police, saying: "Not in the beginning, unless we establish that it really happened. Because in most of the cases, wives... have been advised by their solicitors that one of the four reasons for which a wife can get a divorce is rape, so they are encouraged to say things like this."

    Sheikh Sayeed said the Islamic Sharia Council had only dealt with two or three cases of rape since the arbitration tribunal was founded in 1982. Asked about how men who are found to have forced themselves upon their wives were punished, he explained: "He may be disciplined, and he may be made to ask forgiveness. That should be enough."

    Inayat Bunglawala, chairman of Muslims4UK, said: "Sheikh Sayeed's comments are woefully misguided and entirely inappropriate. Rape – whether within marriage or outside it – is an abominable act and is clearly against the law."
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    People need to keep this in perspective. It wasn't all that long ago that rape in a marriage was legally impossible in the U.S. as well.
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    People need to keep this in perspective. It wasn't all that long ago that rape in a marriage was legally impossible in the U.S. as well.
    Yes but these aren't men defending the status quo in Riyadh, they are men defending a non-Western interpretation of rape in Great Britain. That's the problem. These men don't have to come up to speed or convince society gradually of a new position in human rights. The law of the land in Britain already protects women.

    This is a little different from advising believers to dress, eat, and worship differently from their adopted society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Dave Whatton, Chief Constable of Cheshire and spokesman on rape for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We know that the majority of rapes do not take place through strangers attacking women late at night but between acquaintances and within marriages and partnerships.

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    That is news to me; I thought it was the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Yes but these aren't men defending the status quo in Riyadh, they are men defending a non-Western interpretation of rape in Great Britain. That's the problem. These men don't have to come up to speed or convince society gradually of a new position in human rights. The law of the land in Britain already protects women.

    This is a little different from advising believers to dress, eat, and worship differently from their adopted society.
    Do you honestly believe there are no backward Westerners?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Yes but these aren't men defending the status quo in Riyadh, they are men defending a non-Western interpretation of rape in Great Britain. That's the problem. These men don't have to come up to speed or convince society gradually of a new position in human rights. The law of the land in Britain already protects women.

    This is a little different from advising believers to dress, eat, and worship differently from their adopted society.
    Except that the law of the land doesn't protect women when it's Sharia Law, and thanks to a particularly dim bit of dhimmitude, Britain now allows Sharia Law to be used in arbitration of disputes between Muslims, especially divorce cases, even though it is completely incompatible with British law. There's a very scary report on the subject at http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/wp-co...in-Britain.pdf, and the applications of the tenets of a legal system that considers a woman's testimony to be worth half of that of a man's, or which allows a man to divorce a woman after three public announcements, but does not allow women to divorce unless her family had the foresight to put specific divorce conditions in the marriage contract. If her male relatives didn't think to do it, then her rights are pretty much what her husband says they are.
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    That is news to me; I thought it was the other way around.
    No, statistics show that most rapes occur between people who are at least peripherally acquainted, and in the case of child abuse, it's especially so.
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    Do you honestly believe there are no backward Westerners?
    Of course not. They even have their own web discussion board: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arroyo_Doble View Post
    Do you honestly believe there are no backward Westerners?
    backward Westerners are still modern compared to mooslimbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Of course not. They even have their own web discussion board: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
    Oh, smack! :D
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    Rape isn't impossible in Muslim marriages, it's just harder to get through all of those layers of fabric Muslim men encase their wives in. By the time they unwrap their woman they are too tired to play with it.
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    British law was changed in 1991, making rape within marriage illegal.

    So the Brits are 9 years ahead of the Muslims on this one. Great.
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