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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Democrats are hardly a pro-socialist party, they're just slightly less radical corporatist than Republicans.
    The "moderate" Dems - yes.


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    WWW, just curious...Do you actually believe the bullshit you post?
     

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    Welcome Mr. Reasonable, stop by the Welcome Wagon and introduce yourself, if you like.:)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Democrats are hardly a pro-socialist party, they're just slightly less radical corporatist than Republicans.
    Define corporatist for me.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    So, if a Democrat met with a Nazi, you'd be okay with that?
    This is Wei Wei we're talking about here. He'd applaud it.
     

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    Since no one who posts here lives in Conyers district, I think he's pretty safe. He's going to get re-elected, the only way to get rid of him would be to convict him of something so that he can be legally removed from office, or wait until he retires or dies.

    Conyers' district is the west side of Detroit and a few downriver suburbs, like Allen Park. Most of the downriver cities are in Dingell's district. Most of the votes come from Detroit. He is pretty safe in his seat. Detroiters don't care if he meets with marxists.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Since no one who posts here lives in Conyers district, I think he's pretty safe. He's going to get re-elected, the only way to get rid of him would be to convict him of something so that he can be legally removed from office, or wait until he retires or dies.

    Conyers' district is the west side of Detroit and a few downriver suburbs, like Allen Park. Most of the downriver cities are in Dingell's district. Most of the votes come from Detroit. He is pretty safe in his seat. Detroiters don't care if he meets with marxists.
    This is like Rangel's seat. It's what they used to call a "rotten borough" in parliamentary jargon, although in this case, the rot is within an apathetic and uninformed electorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    This is like Rangel's seat. It's what they used to call a "rotten borough" in parliamentary jargon, although in this case, the rot is within an apathetic and uninformed electorate.


    Except that Conyers is not facing the type of corruption charges that Rangel is facing. His wife is a crook, but there's no evidence that he is one. He should retire to raise those kids, now that his hoochie ex is in the federal pen. It must be fun to the the 70 something single father of pre-adolescents.

    The charges here are that Conyers met with Marxists, which is not a crime, nor is it something he can be removed from office over, outside of being removed by an angry electorate. His district is not angry with him.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Except that Conyers is not facing the type of corruption charges that Rangel is facing. His wife is a crook, but there's no evidence that he is one. He should retire to raise those kids, now that his hoochie ex is in the federal pen. It must be fun to the the 70 something single father of pre-adolescents.

    The charges here are that Conyers met with Marxists, which is not a crime, nor is it something he can be removed from office over, outside of being removed by an angry electorate. His district is not angry with him.
    If the electorate doesn't think his cozy relationship with marxists is worthy of dumping him, I say the electorate isn't worth spit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Except that Conyers is not facing the type of corruption charges that Rangel is facing. His wife is a crook, but there's no evidence that he is one. He should retire to raise those kids, now that his hoochie ex is in the federal pen. It must be fun to the the 70 something single father of pre-adolescents.

    The charges here are that Conyers met with Marxists, which is not a crime, nor is it something he can be removed from office over, outside of being removed by an angry electorate. His district is not angry with him.
    I seemed to recall that Conyers had, if not a criminal charge, at least some ethical lapses on his own, and I found it here:
    Conyers Caught In Ethics Scandal
    Another strike against the Bush impeachment movement – Representative John Conyers has been charged by two former aides with repeated ethical violations:

    Two former aides to Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) have alleged that he repeatedly violated House ethics rules.

    Deanna Maher, a former deputy chief of staff in Conyers’s Detroit office, and Sydney Rooks, a former legal counsel in the district office, provided evidence for the allegations by sharing numerous letters, memorandums and copies of e-mails, handwritten notes and expense reports with The Hill.

    In letters sent separately by each woman to the House ethics committee, the FBI and the U.S. attorney’s office, they allege that Conyers demanded that aides work on several local and state campaigns and forced them to baby-sit and chauffeur his children. They also charge that some aides illegally used Conyers’s congressional offices to enrich themselves.

    …In her Jan. 13 letter, Maher recapped a previous allegation she had made that DeWayne Boyd, a former top aide to Conyers, used Conyers’s congressional office to obtain a fake passport after being convicted of fraud, making false statements and government theft in 2004. Sentenced in 2005 to 30 to 46 months in prison, Boyd fled to Ghana before being recaptured and extradited to the United States.

    The crux of the allegations involves complaints that Conyers used his staff to work on several local and state campaigns including his wife’s failed bid for a seat in the state Senate. In 2003, the Detroit Free Press reported about the allegations that Conyers repeatedly violated House rules by forcing staffers to work on campaigns without taking leave.

    Among Maher’s allegations:

    • In 2002, Conyers’s aides in D.C. were sent to Detroit to help his wife, Monica, win a state Senate seat. While she lost that election, she won a seat last year on the Detroit City Council.

    • On June 2, 2003, Conyers forced Maher to spend a day campaigning for Keith Williams, who won a seat on the Wayne County Commission. She became fed up and drove off after going door to door to distribute campaign literature for a few blocks.

    • Carol Patton, a legislative counsel on Conyers’s personal staff, was hired in 2003 to help Williams and to help JoAnn Watson in her bid for Detroit City Council. Patton still works for Conyers and earns more than $44,000 per year, according to the 2005 House statement of disbursements.

    • In a Dec. 22, 2004, letter, Maher said Conyers staffer Melody Light “conducts her law practice (charging legal fees) out of the congressional office. … She has in effect hung out her shingle on [Conyers’s] office door.”
    You know, we really must do something about this culture of corruption in Washington…
    So, not a complete crook in his own right, but certainly ethically challenged.
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    If the electorate doesn't think his cozy relationship with marxists is worthy of dumping him, I say the electorate isn't worth spit.
    Can't argue with that.
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