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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    I bet if they'd stop automatically counting "half-white" babies as minorities, that number would be pretty differant.
    Plus most Hispanics, who are generally white in color and in culture, are counted as minorities.
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    What is most important is that we keep these distinctions and differences in the forefront, we must never get to the point where we are all just people or Americans, right Wei Wei?
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    Ignoring historical ties to contemporary race relations does more harm than good.

    If we say "race doesn't matter, everything is about personal character and effort", then how do you explain real existing statistics that show minorities being highly disproportionate in prison populations, poverty, or crime rates?

    Suppose someone glances at statistics and says , "well I don't know how important race is to you, maybe not at all, but I notice that members of this race are FAR more likely to be convicted of crimes and members of this other race are FAR more likely to be poor, and members of this third race are FAR more likely to attend college"

    Would your response be: "Well it's about individual effort, some people are just more violent people, some are just more naturally inclined towards crime, and others are just naturally more likely to put effort into education"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Ignoring historical ties to contemporary race relations does more harm than good.

    If we say "race doesn't matter, everything is about personal character and effort", then how do you explain real existing statistics that show minorities being highly disproportionate in prison populations, poverty, or crime rates?

    Suppose someone glances at statistics and says , "well I don't know how important race is to you, maybe not at all, but I notice that members of this race are FAR more likely to be convicted of crimes and members of this other race are FAR more likely to be poor, and members of this third race are FAR more likely to attend college"

    Would your response be: "Well it's about individual effort, some people are just more violent people, some are just more naturally inclined towards crime, and others are just naturally more likely to put effort into education"?
    You're right Wei, race is very important, we need to dwell on it at the expense of everything else, because dammit to hell we are racist!
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    expense of everything else?

    are the only two options the extremes of obsessive focus OR ignoring it exists at all?

    not everything has to be in extremes pigbuddy
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    If we say "race doesn't matter, everything is about personal character and effort", then how do you explain real existing statistics that show minorities being highly disproportionate in prison populations, poverty, or crime rates?

    Are you saying those things are caused solely by "racism"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Ignoring historical ties to contemporary race relations does more harm than good.

    If we say "race doesn't matter, everything is about personal character and effort", then how do you explain real existing statistics that show minorities being highly disproportionate in prison populations, poverty, or crime rates?

    Suppose someone glances at statistics and says , "well I don't know how important race is to you, maybe not at all, but I notice that members of this race are FAR more likely to be convicted of crimes and members of this other race are FAR more likely to be poor, and members of this third race are FAR more likely to attend college"

    Would your response be: "Well it's about individual effort, some people are just more violent people, some are just more naturally inclined towards crime, and others are just naturally more likely to put effort into education"?
    It might have a lot to do with the NEA putting lousy teachers in areas where more minorities live. Maybe. Just kinda sorta.

    Their policies have certainly destroyed education for a large percentage of males.
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    Under Obama’s own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.
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    Wei Wu Wei;Ignoring historical ties to contemporary race relations does more harm than good.

    If we say "race doesn't matter, everything is about personal character and effort", then how do you explain real existing statistics that show minorities being highly disproportionate in prison populations, poverty, or crime rates?
    The best way to answer that may be to stop agonizing over the "cultural reasons" for this disparity and read the arrest report.
    Suppose someone glances at statistics and says , "well I don't know how important race is to you, maybe not at all, but I notice that members of this race are FAR more likely to be convicted of crimes and members of this other race are FAR more likely to be poor, and members of this third race are FAR more likely to attend college"
    And far more likely to donate sperm among half a dozen stupid sperm recepticles thereby increasing the numbers of poor, fatherless gangters with no morals-kinda like DIMoRATS!
    Would your response be: "Well it's about individual effort, some people are just more violent people, some are just more naturally inclined towards crime, and others are just naturally more likely to put effort into education"?
    Yep, just look at all those who came out of the ghettos. Why did they succeed and the others fail? Individual effort and choices.
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    Hey wee wee - I'm not sure if you know this but . . . . there is a characteristic that more prison inmates have in common than race. You know what it is?? 100% of prison inmates have been convicted of committing crimes. How shocking is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    I bet if they'd stop automatically counting "half-white" babies as minorities, that number would be pretty differant.
    Yep. . . I do have a rhetorical question concerning people like Alicia Keys, Halle Berry, and even our own POTUS. . . why do you identify yourself as black when in most of their cases, it was the black parent that abandoned them?

    If many of these kids were ID by the parents who RAISED them. . . they'd be white.

    And before Wei has an orgasm on my post. . . It's not as much racial as cultural. The black family was wrecked by government overreach, rendering black dads superflous. . . throw in the corrosive effect of later hip-hop and it's message, and the culture's been warped from what used to be a really proud one- - I mean, even pre-integration black America had some good aspects to it - - to a minstrel show parody.

    If we can work within black culture... really force black people to look inward for solutions. . . statistics like this won't scare anymore.

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