My random thoughts

[Cseeman]

After reading DU, hoffington post and other such sites for years i truely believe the United States needs to be devided into 2 distinct countries. I am not proposing a civil war or anything just an agreement that we tried to make this work but have come to the realization that it will not work.

what i am proposing is everybody make a peaceful decision whether they wish to live in liberal america or conservative america. Then we split the country north-to-south and conservatives move south an liberals move north. each side then elects thier own leaders and forms thier own country.

I know this is a stupid idea but the more i read those assholes on DU the more i realize that this country is moving in two completely opposite directions

Thoughts ?

[Rockntractor]

After reading DU, hoffington post and other such sites for years i truely believe the United States needs to be devided into 2 distinct countries. I am not proposing a civil war or anything just an agreement that we tried to make this work but have come to the realization that it will not work.

what i am proposing is everybody make a peaceful decision whether they wish to live in liberal america or conservative america. Then we split the country north-to-south and conservatives move south an liberals move north. each side then elects thier own leaders and forms thier own country.

I know this is a stupid idea but the more i read those assholes on DU the more i realize that this country is moving in two completely opposite directions

Thoughts ?

That would be convenient but the split is not along geographic lines.
I guess we could have them take one of Gingers quizzes to sort them out and then send them to the appropriate states.

[Arroyo_Doble]

American political thought is really not that diverse. The divide is small. The rise of the marketing of political disagreement has magnified this small divide and convinced everyone who bothers to pay attention that it is a chasm. It isn't. But it keeps you tuned in.

[swirling_vortex]

We don't need to split the country, but one thing we can do is stop the gerrymandering that gives liberals a greater advantage in Congress. One thing in particular is that if the Republicans gains are significant enough, they'll have enough power for redistricting. This is a huge problem in Pennsylvania because Philadelphia and Pittsburg carry about the same amount of weight as the rest of the state.

[gator]

After reading DU, hoffington post and other such sites for years i truely believe the United States needs to be devided into 2 distinct countries.

No shit!

The good guys tried to make that happen in 1861 but the stupid yankees didn't want to give up the wealth of the South.

[Odysseus]

American political thought is really not that diverse. The divide is small. The rise of the marketing of political disagreement has magnified this small divide and convinced everyone who bothers to pay attention that it is a chasm. It isn't. But it keeps you tuned in.

No, there really is a chasm. It's not that people disagree on issues to some degree, they disagree on fundamental principles. Conservatives believe in the United States, as a nation, and as a nation with a mission, which is to be a beacon of liberty. Liberals/socialists/leftist/proglodytes see the United States as one nation among many, and an anachronism, a throwback to a kind of nationalism that they see as fundamentally incompatible with human progress. The two visions are not compatible, and they spill over into every other issue. Take immigration. There, you have one group that seeks to strengthen borders, maintain civil order and control the direction of the nation's growth, and another group that wants to eliminate the border, radically redefine the basic concepts of citizenship and change the direction of the nation's growth.

I don't think that the country has been this divided since the Civil War, and I suspect that things are heading in that direction again, not today or tomorrow, but possibly within our lifetime. The conditions are there, and they are festering.

[Arroyo_Doble]

No, there really is a chasm. It's not that people disagree on issues to some degree, they disagree on fundamental principles. Conservatives believe in the United States, as a nation, and as a nation with a mission, which is to be a beacon of liberty. Liberals/socialists/leftist/proglodytes see the United States as one nation among many, and an anachronism, a throwback to a kind of nationalism that they see as fundamentally incompatible with human progress. The two visions are not compatible, and they spill over into every other issue. Take immigration. There, you have one group that seeks to strengthen borders, maintain civil order and control the direction of the nation's growth, and another group that wants to eliminate the border, radically redefine the basic concepts of citizenship and change the direction of the nation's growth.

I don't think that the country has been this divided since the Civil War, and I suspect that things are heading in that direction again, not today or tomorrow, but possibly within our lifetime. The conditions are there, and they are festering.

Yes, yes ... one side believes in apple pie and puppies and the other is Sharia loving krypto-marxists trying to harvest grandma's organs.

[MrsSmith]

We may as well consider it. If Obama has his way, we won't be the world superpower anymore, anyway.

[MrsSmith]

Yes, yes ... one side believes in apple pie and puppies and the other is Sharia loving krypto-marxists trying to harvest grandma's organs.

No, one side believes in self-determination, responsibility, charity for our neighbors, small government and the Constitution. The other side believes the US is an imperialist nation, wants at least European socialism, no responsibility for self, and for "the rich" to support the country as a whole. It's the classic divide between the responsible adult and the rebellious teen. Our left just can't quite grow up.

[Arroyo_Doble]

No, one side believes in self-determination, responsibility, charity for our neighbors, small government and the Constitution. The other side believes the US is an imperialist nation, wants at least European socialism, no responsibility for self, and for "the rich" to support the country as a whole. It's the classic divide between the responsible adult and the rebellious teen. Our left just can't quite grow up.

I thought I said that.