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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    Don’t think so. It could happen - but one heck of a lot of Republicans would have to stay home and not vote or get swept up in this ‘Revolution In The Air’ (ala Dylan) 1960’s flashback crap and vote for Obama. It think there’s a better chance that Obama self destructs and allows Hillary to stay on - in his champaign in some face saving capacity. Universal health care is her last rock to hold on to and that subject will be her party’s demise once the Republican bean counters get their calculators out and expose the tax realities.

    If Obama loses it won't be because of his economic policies. It will be because he was successfuly portrayed as an out of touch elitist who won't stand up to the terrorists. That, imho, is the Republican's only chance.

    IMHO, Hillary Clinton would have run to the left of McCain on social and economic policies and met him in the center or right on foreign policy/defense issues.That is the winning ticket as Bill Clinton showed in 92 and 96.

    BHO has to prove he can keep America safe. In the heirachy of needs , safety is one of the greatest needs of all...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by everyman68 View Post
    I see some of the same overconfidence here that I see at the DUmp. They think that Obama can't lose and they might be right. Every available metric favors the Democrat this year.Perception is more important than reality and the perception is the war is bad, the economy is bad, and George Bush is a failed president. You might agree or disagree with that assessment but that is what Senator McCain is up against.He is also up against a charismatic candidate who has the press in his back pocket.

    The political environment in 2008 is as bad for the Republicans as it was for the Democrats in 1980 and we all saw what happened. Ronald Reagan won 489 Electoral College Votes and the Republicans won control of the Senate for the first time in twenty five years.

    The one thing that can stave off defeat is John McCain has a great resume and Obama's color and his loopy friends like Reverend Wright, Father Pfleger, Bill Ayres and Tony Rezko might make him too risky a proposition.

    I don't see how either side can be overconfident.
    I am not overconfident by any means. I live in fear that we might be dumb enough to allow Jimmy Carter II (Obama) in office. The only difference is that this time, is the consequences will be far worse.

    If you look at Obama's policies, they are IDENTICAL to those of Jimmy Carter - both foreign policy- wise and domestically.

    I have no desire to return to 18% interest rates for 30 year mortgages. There is not one bone in my body that aches for inflation rates of 13.5% and an unemployement rate of nearly 10% does not exactly make me jump for joy.

    Those are what Jimmy Carters policies brought us economically.


    As for his foriegn policy, (again nearly identical to Obama's) we had the Soviet Union marching unchecked throughout Europe, Africa and South America.

    Nearly ALL of the problems we have today are a result of Jimmy Carters (and others) policy of non-confrontation with the Soviet Union and his absolute refusal to back friendly nations under siege. He is responsible almost single-handedly for most of the problems we face today. That includes Iran, North Korea and the rise of radical Islam.


    If people want a REAL depression and REAL domination by tyrants and fascists, by all means vote for Obama - or stay home and don't vote at all.

    As for me, I will hold my nose and vote for McCain knowing that he is not ideal, but is infinitely preferable to the extreme radical with disastrous policies that Dems have nominated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by everyman68 View Post
    This is an interesting election...There are times when one knows in June who will win in November. Think 32, 36, 40, 44, 52, 56, 64, 76*, 80, 84,96...


    This election reminds me of 1976. It was in the wake of Viet Nam and Watergate. Jimmy Carter should have won in a landslide. He blew a 33 point post convention lead and won by less than two percent. In fact if 30,000 votes in Hawaii and Ohio went the other way he would have lost the Electoral College. This election will most likely be like 76.

    But can McCain pull off the upset or come close enough to disappoint.

    I will vote for Obama but I can honestly say I would not feel bad if he lost.He brought it on himself with his messianic followers and his past associations
    Who would Obama have to kill to make you not vote for him?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiant1 View Post
    Who would Obama have to kill to make you not vote for him?

    Anybody except OBL.

    If you go back in the thread I lay out my reasons why. I am socially liberal, economically moderate, and centrist on defense foreign policy issues...That puts me closer to Obama...I would have been much more enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton...

    At least I won't agonize the next five months.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by everyman68 View Post
    BHO has to prove he can keep America safe. In the heirachy of needs , safety is one of the greatest needs of all...
    I think the safety of the country is over-blown. If any candidate just let’s the military and regional police do their jobs - which means funding them to the hilt, safety will be a background issue. If McCain attempts to lean on ‘The Big Bad Wolf’ routine too hard he’ll sound exactly like his predecessor - and many citizens have grown quite weary of that constant pushing of the ‘Fear Button’.

    Jobs, Inflation and Gasoline prices are going to be the hard nut to crack: It’s The Economy, Stupid 2.0



    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    I think the safety of the country is over-blown. If any candidate just let’s the military and regional police do their jobs - which means funding them to the hilt, safety will be a background issue. If McCain attempts to lean on ‘The Big Bad Wolf’ routine too hard he’ll sound exactly like his predecessor - and many citizens have grown quite weary of that constant pushing of the ‘Fear Button’.

    Jobs, Inflation and Gasoline prices are going to be the hard nut to crack: It’s The Economy, Stupid 2.0




    Yes, but there was a wolf in the parable.

    I don't how much the price of a barrel of oil is influenced by increased consumption and how much of it is influenced by regional instability... I have read if the area was stable the price of a barrel of oil would be around $75.00.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by everyman68 View Post
    Yes, but there was a wolf in the parable.

    I don't how much the price of a barrel of oil is influenced by increased consumption and how much of it is influenced by regional instability... I have read if the area was stable the price of a barrel of oil would be around $75.00.
    Then we need to go to Venezuela, over-throw that little rat, install our own government and save the cost of shipping that crude half way round the world. Between our drilling, the Canadians, the Mexicans and the juice coming from South America - we’re set, and don’t have to rely on anyone in an Islamic region.

    Who would stop us?
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    I used to think that it would be impossible for a minority to be nominated by the Democratic party and win the election. It stems from a belief that the Democratic party has been successfully stigmatized as Marxist, socialist, "liberal" etc. ...not a too popular stigma to have these days.... Then unfortunately throw in ethnicity and those things don't mesh too well with those undecided voters who decide national elections. I've always thought that the first woman or black president would definitely come from the more conservative (Republican) party. I'm not so sure lately, but I'll stand by that until I'm proven wrong.
    I hope no one misconstrues this as racist....just an observation from watching who votes. I think a Colin Powell would have united the Republicans and the election this November would have been a wash be it Hillary or Obama.
    McCain's strengths, if you will... is that he has been, and is more capable of, pulling in voters on the left than most other Republican candidates. But his hawkish tones of late may nullify that come November. I for one will not be in his camp.
    That being said...I'm going to predict it's President McCain.
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    Powell would cinch the election for McCain. The character and experience would tip the political scale so far to the Right that it would nearly fall over.
    At Coretta Scott King's funeral in early 2006, Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Robert Kennedy, leaned over to him and whispered, "The torch is being passed to you." "A chill went up my spine," Obama told an aide. (Newsweek)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutionally Speaking View Post
    If you look at Obama's policies, they are IDENTICAL to those of Jimmy Carter - both foreign policy- wise and domestically.

    I have no desire to return to 18% interest rates for 30 year mortgages. There is not one bone in my body that aches for inflation rates of 13.5% and an unemployement rate of nearly 10% does not exactly make me jump for joy.
    I tend to believe that these problems are rarely only about who's in office. There is definetely policy that Congress and the Pres implement that can hinder free markets, but there are far too many "invisible hand" decisions happening everyday on the market that can be accounted for simply an executive branch decision. I hate Carter, but too many people give a President Kudos for the economy.
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