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  1. #1 Where is the conservative DIY movement? 
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    This one has bugged me for a while. It seems you can go just about anywhere and find a rack of free newspapers and magazines, but they are 99.9% of a highly liberal bent, be it straight communist/socialist politics, gay activism, hippie tree huggers, or drug-induced "spirituality". Even on the regular newsstand we can still find some cheap, thick, newsprint punk zines that are penned primarily by leftist ideologues who still think W is a war criminal. I know there are some conservative news and opinion magazines out there, but those subscriptions are awful high for some of us. And the occasional conservative newsletter that does pop up on those free racks tends to be photocopied, with lots of filler, either old quotes or patriotic clip art. Maximum Rock and Roll has been running for what 20 years? 2600 (not extremely political, but they lean left on most topics that pop up) started in 1984. I know Wichita had a nifty little city life magazine by the name of The Naked City that had been going for a while.

    I have a couple of ideas for why this happens. One reason is simple, conservatives are usually capitalists, meaning we want to get paid for our stuff. Yes it's great to write and share our opinions, or record our voices and share those opinions, but we need to pay the bills, and most of the time, doing either one doesn't bring in the money. Libs tend to have that martyr spirit that's willing to go down in financial flames for the cause.
    Another reason is related. I'm close enough to Vegas now that there are several free Vegas papers available. And when you flip through them and see the left wing politics, then you find all the ads that pay for the paper. Guess what large chuncks of those ads are for? Escorts, phone sex lines, classified ads for people looking for various oddities, adult video stores, ect. We know that these places pay pretty good for their ads (how many download sites pay for all that bandwidth with adult/dating site ads?). But many of us, even if we feel those business can go about their merry way, aren't going to give them any ink.

    So, we find two issues, the desire to make a living doing something we enjoy, and the difficulty getting acceptable sponsors to fund us making a living putting these things out for free or cheap. Any other ideas? Anyone think I'm completely wrong on any of this?
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    I think that you are right, more or less. Plenty of conservatives enjoy writing and would gladly donate material for free to a giveaway paper or magazine but who would buy ad space? Urban downtown areas are full of people looking for sex, liquor, free concerts, and Thai fusion lunch trucks. Those kinds of ads are not a problem for left-leaning publications.

    Conservatives, on the other hand, are probably more in the market for the kids/dogs/home improvement/family restaurant type of advertiser. Most of those businesses are in the outer rings of cities or in the suburbs.

    There's probably also a big effect of age on this issue. I'd bet that most free paper readers work and/or live in urban areas, are single, are childless, and are under 35. That's also probably the profile of most people who are very interested in left-of-center politics.
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    In part, probably because they don't need it.

    The right wing media complex is highly organized and dominates the discourse completely within its sphere... its hard to see how some pamphlets or zines would add anything to the megaphone.

    Conservative opinion, despite its distaste for elitism, ironically spreads from the top-down... one might even say it "trickles down", from a few elite media personalities and/or the RNC and/or other influential corperatists... and it works with a terrible efficiency.

    Watch a conservative media source for a talking point or two, then watch as *all* the conservative media outlets repeat it, ad nauseum. Then a couple days, the flock starts repeating them endlessly (and almost) verbatim. You see it here, you see it anywhere there are conservatives. If you miss Rush or O'Reilley any day of the week, just listen to a conservative talk for five minutes, and you've heard the show.

    That's just seems to be how modern conservatism functions... it follows the elite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    In part, probably because they don't need it.

    The right wing media complex is highly organized and dominates the discourse completely within its sphere... its hard to see how some pamphlets or zines would add anything to the megaphone.

    Conservative opinion, despite its distaste for elitism, ironically spreads from the top-down... one might even say it "trickles down", from a few elite media personalities and/or the RNC and/or other influential corperatists... and it works with a terrible efficiency.

    Watch a conservative media source for a talking point or two, then watch as *all* the conservative media outlets repeat it, ad nauseum. Then a couple days, the flock starts repeating them endlessly (and almost) verbatim. You see it here, you see it anywhere there are conservatives. If you miss Rush or O'Reilley any day of the week, just listen to a conservative talk for five minutes, and you've heard the show.

    That's just seems to be how modern conservatism functions... it follows the elite.

    Awww, you're so cute. I could say the same thing about HuffPo, the Daily Show, DailyKos, to MSNBC. CNN helps out to a lesser degree, but pretty much every liberal I know uses one of those (if not more) as their source of news.

    Left Wing media is just as complex. . .think about how long it took for George Soros to buy the whole thing. j/k ;)

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    It's the free market at work. They have to give the papers away because no one considers the content valuable enough to pay for them. But in all seriousness, when you're presenting ideas that are far from mainstream, it plays to the culture to disseminate information via some "underground" grass roots press. It highlights the feeling that the reader is some avant garde radical resisting the current of the status quo. The left has its share of periodicals that you pay for, such as "Mother Jones" or the "Utne Reader", but the market isn't very large. I like to read our local free lib rag. It seems financed by the hundreds of MMJ shops, but it has good entertainment info and local event listings. They like to think of themselves as independent thinkers, but their bias is as complete as any right winger's and poorly disguised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lager View Post
    It's the free market at work. They have to give the papers away because no one considers the content valuable enough to pay for them. But in all seriousness, when you're presenting ideas that are far from mainstream, it plays to the culture to disseminate information via some "underground" grass roots press. It highlights the feeling that the reader is some avant garde radical resisting the current of the status quo. The left has its share of periodicals that you pay for, such as "Mother Jones" or the "Utne Reader", but the market isn't very large. I like to read our local free lib rag. It seems financed by the hundreds of MMJ shops, but it has good entertainment info and local event listings. They like to think of themselves as independent thinkers, but their bias is as complete as any right winger's and poorly disguised.
    I think that's a reason why there should be more conservative zines out there. I'm sure our lib friends would view it as manipulative, but if the feeling is there, why not use it? Get the ideas out there to people who aren't going to listen to talk radio or through the usual sources. From personal experience, it just takes actually seeing conservatism laid out to make a logical person a convert.

    And I pick up the free rags as well, just to see how easily their manure can be washed away.

    wilbur, I think there is a point to what you said. There is a well established conservative media. For the most part however, it's preaching to the choir. I'm looking at evangelizing the dumb masses, the double thinkers, with some new words of wisdom in a familiar, less threatening package.
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    The Metro Times is Detroit's free alternative paper. It's pretty liberal, and it's filled with ads now for medical marijuana clinics. All the bars advertise their weekend band line-ups in it, and it does also cover the local arts and music scene.
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