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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay View Post
    Adam, you are a strange lad.
    Yes, I know. Lots of folks these days don't like to deal in actual facts. Sometimes that makes them uncomfortable.

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    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
    Yes, I know. That's why the birthers keep face-planting: they fail to learn from the history of "last time we tried this we got our asses handed to us on a silver platter by the facts" so they keep repeating the same tired old debunked shit over and over again and hope that somehow this time it will stick.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kay View Post
    I still don't buy anything Barry is selling. There are still way more questions than
    answers about his past, his birth and most definitely his loyalties to this country.
    There are absolutely no questions about his birth. You simply choose to believe in a lie because it makes you feel better about yourself. You've already admitted that there is absolutely nothing that could ever prove to you that Obama was born in Hawaii. There could be videotape of the birth showing that day's Honolulu Observer and 78 eye witnesses, all interviewed at the time of the birth, along with a judge and Ronald Reagan himself among the witnesses who say that they saw Obama's birth in a Honolulu birthing house and you would STILL deny that he was born on Oahu because you flatly refuse to accept reality. Now, refusing to accept reality is your prerogative as an American, but do understand that this makes you exactly like all of the DUmmies who spent the Bush years squealing out all of the idiotic nonsense about him and repeating the same lies over and over and over and over and over again in hopes that it would somehow turn into the truth. "I reject reality and replace it with my own warped imagination."

    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    You seem to fixate on denying anyone's honest opinions.
    I'm not denying anyone their opinions at all, but they're not honest opinions. By definition, honest opinions are not based upon falsehoods. It is abject falsehood to prattle on about Obama having been born in Kenya. That's simply a lie, and as such, one cannot, by definition, form an honest opinion based upon that claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    you rant and rage at anyone who suspects that Obama is an fraudulent American .
    I have neither ranted nor raged at anyone. I have simply pointed out facts, central-most is the fact that no matter how much any of us don't like it, Barack Obama was indeed born in Honolulu in 1961, thus making him a natural-born American citizen, and therefore eligible for the Presidency.

    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    I reaclll when president Clinton's passport was perhaps examined by someone unauthorized at the state department and all hell broke lose.They removed his expired passport files and locked them up in a special vault.Now why would they go to all of that trouble if he didn't have something to hide.
    I have no clue what you're talking about. Passport records are not public records. They're all in a "special vault," which is actually a warehouse in Maryland.

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    Kerry is another example of hidden information.Kerry original discharge was less than an honorable but Jimmie Carter fixed it up with the secretary of the Navy to issue him a special dd 214 to cover his ass.His original discharge is now a sealed document much like Obama's birth certificate ..
    BS. Nothing has changed W/R/T the handling of military records. Kerry refused to sign the form to release his records. That is the exact same form and the exact same procedure that every veteran has to go through for the release of their records. That is in no way any sort of special treatment. That's John F'n Kerry being a dickhead. Obama, on the other hand, has released his birth record in the only way possible under Hawaiian law. Now, you can try to pretend that this is some kind of "secret record keeping" if you want to, but this would have to be the greatest conspiracy of all time, spanning fifty years and encompassing thousands of people, not only in the past but also in the foreseeable future.

    Think about which actually makes more sense for a minute:
    • In 1961, some woman from Iowa gets knocked up by a guy from Kenya and, some time just before she squeezed out this puppy (a mulatto baby, oh-so-embraced by American society in 1961), she dashes off to Kenya to give birth to him on a Friday. Then, with no passport for the baby and no State Department blessing, hours after giving birth, this woman then boards a plane in Mombassa and flies from there to Nairobi to to Nairobi to Addis Ababa to Khartoum to Cairo to Athens to London to the west coast to Honolulu, transiting five countries without a passport for the child, then arriving in the United States without a passport for the child, but somehow getting admitted to the country anyway, whereupon if she's incredibly lucky and times it just right, she makes it to Honolulu by Monday night. Then, after all of that travel, she gets a judge to declare this baby to have been born in Hawaii with no documentation whatsoever and gets a birth certificate filed the same day. She does all of this because she knows that 47 years later, this mixed-race child is going to run for President, so she wants to make sure that he has forged documentation showing that he was born in the United States. Every airline ticket agent, gate agent, customs and border agent in every country transited, every stewardess on each plane, border officials in the United States, at least one judge in Hawaii, and the Hawaii registrar of deeds and his/her entire staff are all in on this conspiracy, in 1961, to put a Black man in the White House 48 years later.

      For added cover, she takes out notices in two local newspapers noting that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4. So, now there are two whole newspaper staffs who are in on the conspiracy.

      PLUS, they created a witness who heard a first-hand account of the birth and would later become his fifth-grade teacher. So now this teacher and an obstetrician are also in on the conspiracy.

      Then, in 1974, someone gets the law in Hawaii changed to reflect that COLBs will be what the records people issue rather than Xerox copies of the original birth certificate. They change this law because the now 13-year-old mixed-race boy was going to run for President thirty-four years later and they needed to be sure that no one could actually see this forged birth certificate. Except, of course, for the hundreds of records workers who would see this birth certificate in the ensuing 34 years. Every registrar of deeds and their entire staffs from 1974 onward through 2008 and indeed beyond is in on the conspiracy keep the public from knowing the real truth: that there is no actual, real birth certificate on file in the records office for Barack Obama. They all have to be in on the conspiracy because otherwise any one of them could blow the whistle at any moment, even after Obama has been sworn in.

      Additionally, the Hawaii legislature was so clever in this deception that they put in as part of the law that anyone from anywhere in the country can mail a request to the records department in Honolulu and ask for confirmation of this birth certificate that doesn't actually exist or otherwise isn't valid, and that records department will even send back an official confirmation on state letterhead that says that yes, there actually is a birth record for Barack Obama, even though there actually isn't. So, the whole of the Hawaii legislature and the governor are also in on the conspiracy.

      Then, in 2008, the Republican governor of Hawaii sends her director of health to personally examine the birth certificate that isn't real, and using the governor's own letterhead, announced to the world that yes, it is indeed real. So the Hawaii director of health and the governor of Hawaii are also in on this vast, worldwide conspiracy that has managed to persist for 47 years. Apparently, the Hawaii registrar of vital records got to them, because she personally held the original birth certificate in her hands, too.

      And to this date, every one of these people who has been involved in this incredible conspiracy has kept quiet about it. EVERY ONE, from the airline people all over the world to the newspaper people in Hawaii to the customs and border people all over the world to the judge in 1961 who ordered the birth certificate issued to the records officials who both created and filed the birth certificate in one day after the judge's order, apparently that morning, to the hundreds of people who have since worked in the records building in Honolulu to the Hawaii legislature to the current Republican governor of Hawaii to the present and future workers in the records department on Oahu, has kept this gigantic conspiracy, started in 1961 to put a Black guy in the White House under wraps. None of them ever talked in almost fifty years.


      ~ OR ~

    • Barack Obama actually was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, like all of the documentation and records say.


    Personally, I think the second option makes a hell of a lot more sense.
    Olde-style, states' rights conservative. Ask if this concept confuses you.
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    Look, we're stuck with Bojangles for 2 more years. He's effectively been nuetered. Right now I'm more concerned about undoing the damage he's done and getting a u haul to the front door of 1600 Pennslyvania to unceremoniously usher his Kenyan ass out.
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    While some may try to keep going after the whole birthplace argument, unless someone can produce irrefutable evidence that the Obamanation was not born a US citizen, the discussion is somewhat infantile.
    It follows that old "guilty until proven innocent" canard.

    I take issue with this "First Black President" and the racist undertones in that claim.
    He is more accurately the first mulatto president.
    Unless one follows the one drop rule in which case without doing a genealogy of all the former presidents it is entirely possible that someone else beat him to it.

    Since Bill Clinton made the statement that he was the first black president, maybe Bill knows something about his family tree that no one else does.:D


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    You simply choose to believe in a lie because it makes you feel better about yourself. You've already admitted that there is absolutely nothing that could ever prove to you that Obama was born in Hawaii.
    I believe in a lie because it makes me feel better about myself.
    What does that even mean? In what way do you see me feeling better
    about myself over Barry's birth certficiate. What an ignorant thing to say.
    I have lived a long life feeling gloriously good about myself due to my own
    awesomeness. Barry's credentials have no direct impact I can assure you
    on how I feel about my own self.

    I've already admitted that there is absolutely nothing that could ever prove....
    Did I? Show me where. I think you'll find quotes from me all over the intarwebs saying
    that all he need do is release all his records to put an end to the whole question once
    and for all. That's my whole gripe on this subject, is that it would be so simple for him
    to prove it to me and the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy Kennedy View Post
    Look, we're stuck with Bojangles for 2 more years. He's effectively been nuetered. Right now I'm more concerned about undoing the damage he's done and getting a u haul to the front door of 1600 Pennslyvania to unceremoniously usher his Kenyan ass out.
    Word. That is exactly right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    While some may try to keep going after the whole birthplace argument, unless someone can produce irrefutable evidence that the Obamanation was not born a US citizen, the discussion is somewhat infantile.
    Word. That is exactly right too. I just enjoy getting a rise out of young Adam.
    I am sure that if there were anything that could have been proved about Barry's
    citizenship or lack thereof, that Billary would have screamed it from on high during
    the primary elections last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay View Post
    Word. That is exactly right.




    Word. That is exactly right too. I just enjoy getting a rise out of young Adam.
    I am sure that if there were anything that could have been proved about Barry's
    citizenship or lack thereof, that Billary would have screamed it from on high during
    the primary elections last year.
    Actually it was the Hillary campaign that started the whole birth certificate issue and then dropped it.
    There were more Democrats and independents that questioned the legitimacy Of Obamas presidency than Republicans in the last poll taken on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay View Post
    Word. That is exactly right.




    Word. That is exactly right too. I just enjoy getting a rise out of young Adam.
    I am sure that if there were anything that could have been proved about Barry's
    citizenship or lack thereof, that Billary would have screamed it from on high during
    the primary elections last year.
    Her campaign looked into it and finally gave it up.Young Adam as you call him has a very short fuse if you challenge him .
    He covers up what he doesn't want to hear with dogmatic bluster .His arrogance precedes him from his long time at DU Lite,NU .
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