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  1. #1 Australia Needs 12 Large Subs For Security 
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    "Sounds Like They Need A Mix Of Boomers And Fast Attack Boats Against China And Russia !"

    "I doubt that Australia Has The Resources or The Infrastructure To Build Boats Like These In Australia !"

    AUSTRALIA will need 12 big, long-range submarines to help it shape its own strategic future.

    The region will be increasingly dominated by China, says Paul Dibb, author of the 1987 defence white paper.

    In the wake of warnings about China's growing military power at the Ausmin talks, Professor Dibb will tell a Submarine Institute conference in Perth today it is time Australians took their strategic outlook much more seriously.

    "We ignore our own unique strategic geography at our peril in the decades ahead," he will say.

    Having a large, more potent submarine force must be a central strategic priority for Australia and there should be bipartisan agreement politically about that, Professor Dibb will tell the conference.

    The boats should be built in Australia, he will say, and they should be fitted with powerful long-range weapons such as cruise missiles.

    The current white paper has called for 12 long-range subs to be built in South Australia at an estimated cost of $36 billion, with the first of the boats to be operational from 2020.

    "Too much of the defence debate in this country is preoccupied with the short term. There is a blindness in Australia towards the need to do our utmost to shape our own strategic future.

    "We need to return to the fundamental importance of our strategic geography and focus on the potentially threatening historical changes that are about to occur to the geopolitical landscape in our part of the world."

    Professor Dibb will stress that Australia needs a larger submarine force and a potent air force and he will deride the purchase for the navy of two giant military transports.

    "We do not require two 27,000-tonne amphibious assault ships that will require protection by most of our surface, sub-surface and combat air patrol forces so they can put a token land force ashore."

    By 2030, China could have 100 quiet, modern submarines.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225950362509
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    Sounds like they have decided the US will no longer be depended on. Why else would they feel the need for self protection??? Sounds like Barry is fundementally changing the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubs View Post
    Sounds like they have decided the US will no longer be depended on. Why else would they feel the need for self protection??? Sounds like Barry is fundementally changing the US.
    I think they reasoned out that they have to build up their own defenses .They had F-111's and Lockheed P-2 Neptune's for Maritime patrol and ASW before China started to build up their Navy but by now both types are obsolete .

    The Chinese are acting very aggressive in the region and are now challenging Japan for control of an Island chain they lost during WW2 .

    The Chinese Navy has been most actively building up their subs and surface forces and intend to dominate the region both economically and militarily for what they call ' The new Chinese Century' .The Chinese have warned America to stay out of the South China Sea and with Obama in the White House we may just kiss their asses ?

    China and her puppet North Korea may well go to war with Japan if push comes to shove.If they can keep America out of the region they will retake Formosa and 'face down' the smaller nations in the region.

    Japan and Australia will try to build up their forces but without America to back them up all is lost and China will win.China has an old score to settle with Japan and Japan being without Nuclear forces makes them weak against China !
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    "Sounds Like They Need A Mix Of Boomers And Fast Attack Boats Against China And Russia !"
    As usual, megimoo isnt thinking. We have no need for missile submarines. Attack boats yes, but we have no need or wish for nuclear missile subs.

    "I doubt that Australia Has The Resources or The Infrastructure To Build Boats Like These In Australia !"
    And you'd be wrong. As usual. What you don't know about this country far exceeds the little you do know. We can and could build them, if we so chose....we're not some primitive backwater.

    The boats should be built in Australia, he will say, and they should be fitted with powerful long-range weapons such as cruise missiles.
    Will never happen. Australia has no need for a nuclear force, and never will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Japan and Australia will try to build up their forces but without America to back them up all is lost and China will win.China has an old score to settle with Japan and Japan being without Nuclear forces makes them weak against China !
    It's entierly possible that the Japanese have Nuclear weapons, there have been rumors of them having em for years, was well as subs.

    If China went to war with Japan, then N. Korea would take the oppertunity to go after S. Korea, the whole thing could turn into a GIANT mess, possibly even a World War if it got too out of hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonnabend View Post
    As usual, megimoo isnt thinking. We have no need for missile submarines. Attack boats yes, but we have no need or wish for nuclear missile subs.



    And you'd be wrong. As usual. What you don't know about this country far exceeds the little you do know. We can and could build them, if we so chose....we're not some primitive backwater.



    Will never happen. Australia has no need for a nuclear force, and never will.
    Then tell me what you critters will do when China's Navy shows up off your beaches and comes ashore in the thousands ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    Then tell me what you critters will do when China's Navy shows up off your beaches and comes ashore in the thousands ?
    Withdraw? There's far more beaches in Australia than Australians. :D I imagine invading Australia would be a lot like invading Russia... except you have no avenue of land retreat. Let the Chinese fight snakes and giant spiders all day.
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    Then tell me what you critters will do when China's Navy shows up off your beaches and comes ashore in the thousands
    1. They won't because we will see them coming, contrary to that strange imagination of yours, they cannot launch an attack fleet and troops in a day, satellites would see the buildup, we have over the horizon radar and will see them coming, they'd have to pass other nations on the way..who'd see them and tell us.

    Not to mention that we have "other assets" that would feed us intel on any amphibious assault...and they'd take WEEKS to get here by sea.

    2. China isn't that stupid. You, on the other hand, are.

    3. Our own diplomatic staff would be also kept advised, and they'd be well aware of any insane idea of launching an amphibious assault halfway around the world..what, do you think that assembling that many troops and sea assets and air assets woukdn't be noticed by anyone?

    4. What the hell would they want to do that for anyway? We're a huge trading partner...you think they are that stupid to slit their own throats by turning the entire Pacific Rim into an enemy?

    For God's sake , megi...give it a rest
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral...ne_Corporation

    Just to show Australia does have the infrastructure to build the Subs.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fettpett View Post
    It's entierly possible that the Japanese have Nuclear weapons, there have been rumors of them having em for years, was well as subs.

    If China went to war with Japan, then N. Korea would take the oppertunity to go after S. Korea, the whole thing could turn into a GIANT mess, possibly even a World War if it got too out of hand
    Take a look at this.It's written by a couple of Greenies with the Anti Nuclear Greenpeace International .

    Japan's Nuclear Twilight Zone
    http://bos.sagepub.com/content/57/3/58.full

    Japan has a large stockpile of weapons grade plutonium on hand .

    Watch out for Mr Australia, he will bode no talk of Australia going Nuclear even to defend itself .
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