OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-22-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
62. Ummmmm, But That Is A Fact.
That's not in any way preaching that God is real or that Jesus was the son of God etc, it's merely stating the fact that Jesus did spend his life preaching such things. Are you trying to imply that Jesus, regardless of one's belief in what he was or wasn't, did try and preach about God or love?
mike_c (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-22-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. exactly so-- there is no historical consensus that "Jesus" even existed...
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 01:23 PM by mike_c
...let alone "preached about God's love and forgiveness." Many historians either dispute his existence-- there is little or no objective evidence for it, only the assertions of christians who are utterly non-objective, mostly wrote long after 33 CE and had no personal connection with any of the events they described, and often wrote with self-serving alternative agendas-- or they question whether his actual historical role was anything like the mythos that was constructed around him. And certainly, even if he existed and was a religious figure, his "preaching" was just superstitious, delusional nonsense founded upon the notion of judgmental, invisible figures living in the sky-- an archtype that might have resonated with primitive cultures who thought "heaven, earth, and hell" were located in the sky, on the ground, and underground, but you know, we can actually SEE into the sky and under the ground these days, and there isn't any sign of either celestial cities or demons living amongst the brimstone.
Jesus might be just as mythical as an individual. There is no objective evidence to dispute that view.
on edit: I presume you meant to write: "Are you trying to imply that Jesus, regardless of one's belief in what he was or wasn't, did not try and preach about God or love?"
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-22-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. If You Want To Use That Ignorance As Your Argument So Be It.
But I consider it right up there in line with those who claim "there are many scientists who don't believe in the theory of evolution" or "there are many scientists who believe global warming doesn't exist at all" blah blah blah. Same malarkey.
mike_c (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-22-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. ah, the standard fundy response....
Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 01:32 PM by mike_c
Ideas and evidence that conflict with xtian superstitions are ignorant "malarkey," an argument that's always made with utter conviction and absolutely no evidentiary support. Which brings us full circle, back to schools teaching christian delusions as fact and objective historical discourse as questionable malarkey, if they address it at all. The xtian taliban are in no danger of losing their grip on American schools in much of Jesusland.
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-22-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. You're Projecting.
It is you that is giving the fundy extremist response.
There is no such delusions being taught in that outline whatsoever. There was nothing but historical and well documented fact found in the outline and it is you playing the part of fundy irrational whackjob by acting like there is something to be outraged about.
Like I said: I find your logic and objection to be right in line with the whackos that say "evolution isn't proven. Teach creationism!" and "there are several reputable scientists that say global warming doesn't exist!!111". You're all cut of the same ignorant cloth.