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  1. #1 CHINA TELLS AMERICA: Turn Around The USS George Washington 
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    China has warned against military activity near its coastline ahead of U.S.-Korea naval exercises, according to Reuters.

    China's Foreign Ministry said in an online posting that naval exercises risks starting a war: "We oppose any military act by any party conducted in China's exclusive economic zone without approval."

    North Korea has also threatened to respond to military gestures with more attacks: "The situation on the Korean peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war due to the reckless plan of those trigger-happy elements to stage again war exercises targeted against the (North)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by megimoo View Post
    China's Foreign Ministry said in an online posting that naval exercises risks starting a war: "We oppose any military act by any party conducted in China's exclusive economic zone without approval."
    Probably doesn't include N Korea.......

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    This is an open show for our benefit, if China tells bama privately to turn around we will without question!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marv View Post
    Probably doesn't include N Korea.......

    China's exclusive economic zone and continental shelf: developments, problems, and prospects
    http://ideas.repec.org/a/eee/marpol/...1i1p71-81.html
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    I put this whole "Send The George Washington" thing in the same category as I would sending in a cop with an unloaded gun. I don't believe Obama has any intention of doing anything. And not that that's wrong; it's just so....transparent.
    Then the problem with everyone knowing that it's a transparent bluff is that he may actually be goaded into action and launch a bunch of planes, and that would be bad.

    South Korea can take care of itself. Besides, they've been ripping us of economically for years, so I know they can afford a war.

    Just hope our 20,000 guys (oh, yeah, and gals) don't get crushed in the process.

    Israel had no problem taking out a Syrian nuclear reactor when they needed to, and I have no problem taking out one in North Korea. I'd just rather do it because it was the right thing to do; not because we felt the need to defend someone's honor.
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    Just to clarify what China is up against if they're thinking about going to war with America :

    PART 1:

    General Characteristics, Ohio Class
    Builder: General Dynamics Electric Boat Division.
    Date Deployed: Nov. 11, 1981 (USS Ohio)
    Propulsion: One nuclear reactor, one shaft.
    Length: 560 feet (170.69 meters).
    Beam: 42 feet (12.8 meters).
    Displacement: 16,764 tons (17,033.03 metric tons) surfaced; 18,750 tons (19,000.1 metric tons) submerged.
    Speed: 20+ knots (23+ miles per hour, 36.8+ kph).
    Crew: 15 Officers, 140 Enlisted.
    Armament: 24 tubes for Trident II submarine-launched ballistic missiles, MK48 torpedoes, four torpedo tubes.

    THEY ALL CARRY TWENTY FOUR TRIDENT D5'S

    Primary Function: Strategic Nuclear Deterrence
    Contractor: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co., Inc., Sunnyvale, Calif.
    Unit Cost: $29.1 million (current production)
    Power Plant: Three-stage solid-propellant rocket
    Length: 44 feet (13.41 meters)
    Weight: 130,000 pounds (58,500 kg)
    Diameter: 74 inches (1.85 meters)
    Range: Greater than 4,000 nautical miles (4,600 statute miles, or 7,360 km)
    Guidance System: Inertial
    Warheads: up to 10 Thermonuclear MIRV (Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicle); Maneuverable Re-entry Vehicle
    ............................
    WARHEADS:
    # Thermonuclear MIRV (Multiple Independently Targetable re-entry Vehicle)
    # 8 W88 300-475 kiloton MIRVs in a solid-fuel Mk 5 PBV
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    SSBN BOOMBERS

    USS Henry M. Jackson (SSBN 730), Bangor, WA
    USS Alabama (SSBN 731), Bangor, WA
    USS Alaska (SSBN 732), Kings Bay, GA
    USS Nevada (SSBN 733), Bangor, WA
    USS Tennessee (SSBN 734), Kings Bay, GA
    USS Pennsylvania (SSBN 735), Bangor, WA
    USS West Virginia (SSBN 736), Kings Bay, GA
    USS Kentucky (SSBN 737), Bangor, WA
    USS Maryland (SSBN 738), Kings Bay, GA
    USS Nebraska (SSBN 739), Bangor, WA
    USS Rhode Island (SSBN 740), Kings Bay, GA
    USS Maine (SSBN 741), Bangor, WA
    USS Wyoming (SSBN 742), Kings Bay, GA
    USS Louisiana (SSBN 743), Bangor, WA

    Last Update: 10 September 2010
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    American SSGNs Prowl The Pacific

    In the last month, three of the four American SSGNs (former ballistic missile subs each now carrying 154 cruise missiles and SEAL commando teams) appeared in the Pacific and Indian oceans (the Philippines, South Korea and Diego Garcia). Some through this was a message for China, but, in fact, the SSGNs go where the potential trouble is. When questioned, U.S. Navy officials responded that, for the first time, all four SSGNs were operating at sea, in locations distant from their bases. Two years ago, the U.S. Navy completed the conversion of the last of four Ohio class ballistic missile submarines (SSBN), to cruise missile submarines (SSGN). Each of these boats now carries 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, and provides space (for living, working and training) for 66 commandos (usually SEALs) and their equipment.

    The idea of converting ballistic missile subs, that would have to be scrapped to fulfill disarmament agreements, has been bouncing around since the 1990s. After September 11, 2001, the idea got some traction. The navy submariners love this one, because they lost a lot of their reason for being, with the end of the Cold War. The United States had built a powerful nuclear submarine force during the Cold War, but with the rapid disappearance of the Soviet Navy in the 1990s, there was little reason to keep over a hundred U.S. nuclear subs in commission. These boats are expensive, costing over a billion each to build and over a million dollars a week to operate. The four Ohio class SSBN being converted each have at least twenty years of life left in them. The conversions weren't cheap, each one cost over $400 million.
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    List of aircraft carriers of the United States Navy

    CVN-68 Nimitz 1975 Nimitz-class supercarrier, lead ship Active
    CVN-69 Dwight D. Eisenhower 1977 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-70 Carl Vinson 1981 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-71 Theodore Roosevelt 1986 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-72 Abraham Lincoln 1989 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-73 George Washington 1992 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-74 John C. Stennis 1995 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-75 Harry S. Truman 1998 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-76 Ronald Reagan 2003 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-77 George H.W. Bush 2009 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
    CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford 2015 Ford-class supercarrier, lead ship Keel laid
    CVN-79 unnamed 2019 Ford-class supercarrier Planned: A petition has also been set up for CVN-79 to be named as the ninth "USS Enterprise" after projected retirement of CVN-65 Enterprise in 2013.
    CVN-80 unnamed 2023 Ford-class supercarrier Planned
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    Attack Submarines - SSN


    Description
    Attack submarines are designed to seek and destroy enemy submarines and surface ships; project power ashore with Tomahawk cruise missiles and Special Operation Forces; carry out Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) missions; support battle group operations, and engage in mine warfare.

    Background
    With the number of foreign diesel-electric / air-independent propulsion submarines increasing yearly, the United States submarine force relies on its technological superiority and the speed, endurance, mobility, stealth, and payload afforded by nuclear power to retain its preeminence in the undersea battlespace.

    There are three classes of SSNs now in service. Los Angeles (SSN 688) class submarines are the backbone of the submarine force with 43 now in commission. Thirty-one Los Angeles class SSNs are equipped with 12 Vertical Launch System tubes for firing Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    The Navy also has three Seawolf class submarines. Commissioned on July 19, 1997, USS Seawolf (SSN 21) is exceptionally quiet, fast, well armed, and equipped with advanced sensors. Though lacking Vertical Launch Systems, the Seawolf class has eight torpedo tubes and can hold up to 50 weapons in its torpedo room. The third ship of the class, USS Jimmy Carter (SSN 23), has a 100-foot hull extension called the multi-mission platform. This hull section provides for additional payload to accommodate advanced technology used to carry out classified research and development and for enhanced warfighting capabilities.

    The Navy is now building the next-generation attack submarine, the Virginia (SSN 774) class. The Virginia class is tailored to excel in a wide range of warfighting missions. The Virginia class has several innovations that significantly enhance its warfighting capabilities with an emphasis on littoral operations. Virginia class SSNs have a fly-by-wire ship control system that provides improved shallow-water ship handling. The class has special features to support special operation forces. The torpedo room can be reconfigured to house a large number of special operation forces and all their equipment for prolonged deployments and future off-board payloads. The class also has large lock-in / lock-out chamber for divers. In Virginia class SSNs, traditional periscopes have been supplanted by two Photonics Masts that house color, high-resolution black and white, and infrared digital cameras atop telescoping arms. With the removal of the barrel periscopes, the ships’ control room has been moved down one deck and away from the hull’s curvature, affording it more room and an improved layout that provides the commanding officer with enhanced situational awareness. Additionally, through the extensive use of modular construction, open architecture, and commercial off-the-shelf components, the Virginia class is designed to remain state of the practice for its entire operational life through the rapid introduction of new systems and payloads.
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    part 2
    General Characteristics, Virginia class
    Builder: General Dynamics Electric Boat Division and Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding - Newport News
    Propulsion: One nuclear reactor, one shaft
    Length: 377 feet (114.8 meters)
    Beam: 34 feet (10.4 meters)
    Displacement: Approximately 7,800 tons (7,925 metric tons) submerged
    Speed: 25+ knots (28+ miles per hour, 46.3+ kph)
    Crew: 135: 15 Officers; 120 Enlisted
    Armament: Tomahawk missiles, twelve VLS tubes, MK48 ADCAP torpedoes, four torpedo tubes.
    Ships:
    SSN 786 - 791 - Under contract.
    USS Virginia (SSN 774), Groton, CT
    USS Texas (SSN 775), Pearl Harbor, HI.
    USS Hawaii (SSN 776), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS North Carolina (SSN 777), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS New Hampshire (SSN 778), Groton, CT
    USS New Mexico (SSN 779), Groton, CT
    USS Missouri (SSN 780), Groton, CT.
    California (SSN 781), No homeport - Christening scheduled for November 6, 2010
    Mississippi (SSN 782), No homeport - Construction began February 2007
    Minnesota (SSN 783), No homeport - Construction began February 2008.
    North Dakota (SSN 784), No homeport - Construction began March 2009.
    John Warner (SSN-785), No homeport - Construction began March 2010

    General Characteristics, Seawolf class
    Builder: General Dynamics Electric Boat Division.
    Date Deployed: USS Seawolf commissioned July 19, 1997
    Propulsion: One nuclear reactor, one shaft
    Length: SSNs 21 and 22: 353 feet (107.6 meters)
    SSN 23: 453 feet (138.07 meters)
    Beam: 40 feet (12.2 meters)
    Displacement: SSNs 21 and 22: 9,138 tons (9,284 metric tons) submerged;
    SSN 23 12,158 tons (12,353 metric tons) submerged
    Speed: 25+ knots (28+ miles per hour, 46.3+ kph)
    Crew: 140: 14 Officers; 126 Enlisted
    Armament: Tomahawk missiles, MK48 torpedoes, eight torpedo tubes.
    Ships:
    USS Seawolf (SSN 21), Bangor, WA
    USS Connecticut (SSN 22), Bangor, WA
    USS Jimmy Carter (SSN 23), Bangor, WA

    General Characteristics, Los Angeles class
    Builder: Newport News Shipbuilding Co.; General Dynamics Electric Boat Division.
    Date Deployed: Nov 13, 1976 (USS Los Angeles)
    Propulsion: One nuclear reactor, one shaft
    Length: 360 feet (109.73 meters)
    Beam: 33 feet (10.06 meters)
    Displacement: Approximately 6,900 tons (7011 metric tons) submerged
    Speed: 25+ knots (28+ miles per hour, 46.3 +kph)
    Crew: 16 Officers; 127 Enlisted
    Armament: Tomahawk missiles, VLS tubes (SSN 719 and later), MK48 torpedoes, four torpedo tubes.
    Ships:
    USS Philadelphia (SSN 690), Groton, CT
    USS Memphis (SSN 691), Groton, CT
    USS Bremerton (SSN 698), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Jacksonville (SSN 699), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Dallas (SSN 700), Groton, CT
    USS La Jolla (SSN 701), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS City of Corpus Christi (SSN 705), Guam
    USS Albuquerque (SSN 706), San Diego, CA
    USS San Francisco (SSN 711), San Diego, CA
    USS Houston (SSN 713), Guam
    USS Norfolk (SSN 714), Norfolk, VA
    USS Buffalo (SSN 715), Guam
    USS Olympia (SSN 717), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Providence (SSN 719), Groton, CT
    USS Pittsburgh (SSN 720), Groton, CT
    USS Chicago (SSN 721), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Key West (SSN 722), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Oklahoma City (SSN 723), Norfolk, VA
    USS Louisville (SSN 724), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Helena (SSN 725), San Diego, CA
    USS Newport News (SSN 750), Norfolk, VA
    USS San Juan (SSN 751), Groton, CT
    USS Pasadena (SSN 752), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Albany (SSN 753), Norfolk, VA
    USS Topeka (SSN 754), San Diego, CA
    USS Miami (SSN 755), Groton, CT
    USS Scranton (SSN 756), Norfolk, VA
    USS Alexandria (SSN 757), Groton, CT
    USS Asheville (SSN 758), San Diego, CA
    USS Jefferson City (SSN 759), San Diego, CA
    USS Annapolis (SSN 760), Groton, CT
    USS Springfield (SSN 761), Groton, CT
    USS Columbus (SSN 762), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Santa Fe (SSN 763), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Boise (SSN 764), Norfolk, VA
    USS Montpelier (SSN 765), Norfolk, VA
    USS Charlotte (SSN 766), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Hampton (SSN 767), San Diego, CA
    USS Hartford (SSN 768), Groton, CT
    USS Toledo (SSN 769), Groton, CT
    USS Tucson (SSN 770), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Columbia (SSN 771), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Greeneville (SSN 772), Pearl Harbor, HI
    USS Cheyenne (SSN 773), Pearl Harbor, HI
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    Megimoo, I'm not concerned about our armament, I'm concerned about our will to use it when necessary. And the wisdom to determine when it is necessary and when it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m00 View Post
    Megimoo, I'm not concerned about our armament, I'm concerned about our will to use it when necessary. And the wisdom to determine when it is necessary and when it is not.
    Anything our current president would lead us into would be a fiasco, remember Jimmy Carter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Anything our current president would lead us into would be a fiasco, remember Jimmy Carter.
    Carter at least served in the military, so I think Carter is probably a better wartime leader.Sad days, huh?
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