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    Most voters who fly appear comfortable with the federal Transportation Safety Administrationís new airport security measures.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey, taken Sunday night at the close of the Thanksgiving holiday travel weekend, finds that 51% rate airline security as good or excellent, while just 16% view it as poor. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    Seventy-five percent (75%) of voters who fly at least once a year think it is appropriate to require some passengers to have either a full-body scan or full-body pat down before boarding an airliner. Eighteen percent (18%) disagree and say such measures are not appropriate.

    Support for the techniques is even higher among those who fly once a month or more often.

    In January, just after an unsuccessful terrorist bombing attempt on an airliner landing in Detroit, 71% of Americans favored the use of full-body scanners at airports.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cans_pat_downs
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    Even though I don't fly, I would choose the body scan over the pat-down any day.
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    I don't want either. Therefore, I choose not to fly. When we allow intrusive measures such as this,we relenquish our rights. I'm with Ben Franklin on this, "Those that would sacrifice essential liberties for a little safety, deserve neither". We continually are allowing our rights to be eroded, and little by little, there will eventually be none.
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    Using that same logic, most Americans are okay with Muslims and Arabs being profiled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    I don't want either. Therefore, I choose not to fly. When we allow intrusive measures such as this,we relenquish our rights. I'm with Ben Franklin on this, "Those that would sacrifice essential liberties for a little safety, deserve neither". We continually are allowing our rights to be eroded, and little by little, there will eventually be none.
    Do you honestly think that you have a right to fly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Do you honestly think that you have a right to fly?
    Actually, in a sense, yes. I pay for the ticket hence this gives me the right to fly on that airplane. I also have the right not to be singled out for further scrutiny because I happen to be the 12th person in line. Buying an airline ticket in no way causes me to forfeit my Constitutional rights. The 4th Amendment specifically states:
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    Being passenger #12 isn't probable cause. And, since the TSA is a Federal government so they are directly bound by the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    Do you honestly think that you have a right to fly?
    I have a right to enter into a private business contract with a company that provides transportation as long as that company wishes to enter into that contract with me.

    The company and I agree to the terms and I provide a consideration (money, barter, etc.) for the agreed upon services. This is the same whether I choose to take a plane, bus or taxi as long as it is a commercial company.

    Are you saying if you owned a 10 seat Cessna Citation and 10 people wanted you to fly them to the Superbowl, they don't have a right to ask you to fly them and you don't have a right to accept?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJCardFan View Post
    Actually, in a sense, yes. I pay for the ticket hence this gives me the right to fly on that airplane. I also have the right not to be singled out for further scrutiny because I happen to be the 12th person in line. Buying an airline ticket in no way causes me to forfeit my Constitutional rights. The 4th Amendment specifically states:

    Being passenger #12 isn't probable cause. And, since the TSA is a Federal government so they are directly bound by the Constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    I have a right to enter into a private business contract with a company that provides transportation as long as that company wishes to enter into that contract with me.

    The company and I agree to the terms and I provide a consideration (money, barter, etc.) for the agreed upon services. This is the same whether I choose to take a plane, bus or taxi as long as it is a commercial company.

    Are you saying if you owned a 10 seat Cessna Citation and 10 people wanted you to fly them to the Superbowl, they don't have a right to ask you to fly them and you don't have a right to accept?
    You do understand that it's the airlines that WANT the TSA. If they subjected you to these screenings your ire would be directed at THEM. The TSA makes for a nice buffer. They recognize that if they were doing the screenings they would be opened up wide for sue happy lawyers and get rich quick lawsuits. They'd get them from people being searched and if someone got through - they'd face suits from the families of any victims.
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    I would choose the full body scan. Just the idea of it makes me feel special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba Dawg View Post
    I would choose the full body scan. Just the idea of it makes me feel special.
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