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  1. #1 "the Real Poll: 91% Of Military Reject Homosexual Leaders, 25% Would Quit." 
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    THE REAL PENTAGON POLL: 91% OF SERVICE MEMBERS REJECT HOMOSEXUAL LEADERS - 1 IN 4 WOULD QUIT

    Former Navy Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt just read the full Pentagon report on repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and here's his analysis:

    "Don't believe the phony liberal media reports that 70% of troops support open homosexual service, because that statistic included 'mixed' feelings. A closer reading of the fine print in the newly released Pentagon survey shows our troops answered as follows:

    Q45. If you had a leader whom you believed was gay or lesbian…9% positive, 91% negative or mixed impact on unit's performance.

    Q68c. 85% of Marine Combat Arms, 75% of Army Combat Arms, 64% overall say Negative, Very Negative, or Mixed impact on unit trust if DADT is repealed.

    Q90. 29% would take no action if assigned open showers with homosexuals. 71% would shower at other times, complain to leadership or chaplains, don't know or do "something else" [including violence].

    Q81. 24% will leave the military or think about leaving sooner than planned. (One half million troops will QUIT the service early, destroying our national security.)

    Q80. 6% will positively recommend service to others after repeal. 94% feel negative, mixed, no effect, or don't know about recommending military service to others. (Destroying recruiting efforts.)

    Q66. If open homosexuality impacts combat performance, is the impact...9% positive, 91% negative or mixed impact.

    Q71. 11% feel positive or very positive about permitting open homosexuality in field environment or out at sea. 60% negative or mixed. 19% no effect.

    Q73. 5% say repeal would positively boost morale. 41% say negative or mixed impact morale. Rest no effect or don't know.

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    I don't remember that question.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
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    Maybe this is the libs way of reducing the size of the military?
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    It's not a real poll. It's a chaplain who doesn't like gays, doing his own poll to justify his beliefs.

    Discrimination against gays is not allowed in any other public workplace in the United States. Why should the military be any different?

    I respect D. Jones' opinion on this matter: that allowing gays to serve openly is going to happen, that the important thing is how that policy is implemented-the best way to do it without drama and disruption. As he's actually currently an active service member, he's the one who's got to live with whatever policy comes out of all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It's not a real poll. It's a chaplain who doesn't like gays, doing his own poll to justify his beliefs.
    The Chaplain did not conduct the poll. All he is doing is interpreting it. With the exception of the military, showering with others does not happen within 99% of workplaces in the private and governmental sector that I am aware of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    The Chaplain did not conduct the poll. All he is doing is interpreting it. With the exception of the military, showering with others does not happen within 99% of workplaces in the private and governmental sector that I am aware of.
    And you don't have to live with them either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    It's not a real poll. It's a chaplain who doesn't like gays, doing his own poll to justify his beliefs.
    The chaplain did not conduct a poll, he is analyzing the poll that the DOD conducted, and which the media is distorting.

    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Discrimination against gays is not allowed in any other public workplace in the United States. Why should the military be any different?
    As I have repeatedly said before, the military is not like any other workplace. No other job requires personnel to deploy for months or years, live in common housing and even shower together. The comparison falls apart when you take these factors into account. Even those militaries which claim to have successfully integrated gays do not do the kinds of long deployments that we do.

    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    I respect D. Jones' opinion on this matter: that allowing gays to serve openly is going to happen, that the important thing is how that policy is implemented-the best way to do it without drama and disruption. As he's actually currently an active service member, he's the one who's got to live with whatever policy comes out of all this.
    D. Jones and I are both on active duty. Is my opinion. that it will have serious negative consequences and should not be repealed, any less worthy of respect?
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    Why don't we all quit? Afterall, the libs and gays believe they are essential and indispensible to the armed services. That should allow more openings for the millions of gays who so badly desire to serve their country in the military. I for one will sleep peaceably at night knowing that we are being guarded by our most sensitive population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    Why don't we all quit? Afterall, the libs and gays believe they are essential and indispensible to the armed services. That should allow more openings for the millions of gays who so badly desire to serve their country in the military. I for one will sleep peaceably at night knowing that we are being guarded by our most sensitive population.
    Because if we do that, then Obama gets the armed forces that he wants, one purged of people who don't share the progressive mindset. Right now, the leftists know that they cannot take certain actions, no matter how powerful they get in Washington, because we are committed to our oaths and will not tolerate outright tyranny. The military would not be willing to embark on gun confiscation, for example, and not only would such an order not be obeyed, but those who gave it would soon find themselves without any armed support in the event of civilian opposition. But, eliminate the core of the military, the members who believe in the values of Constitutional law, civic order and traditional family, and what's left but a force that can be gradually manipulated into becoming just another group of government employees? That's what Obama and the rest of the left want, to purge those who stand in the way of their agenda.
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    Sorry for the confusion, I left out the
    Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil.
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    Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. (Are you listening Barry)?:mad:
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