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  1. #1 Left sees tax surrender, says Obama reelection bid now crippled 

    Left sees tax surrender, says Obama reelection bid now crippled

    By Sam Youngman - 12/07/10 06:00 AM ET

    President Obama could be crippling his own reelection effort by making a deal with Republicans to extend all of the Bush-era tax cuts, Democratic strategists and liberal groups said Monday.

    A two-year extension of tax rates ushered in by President George W. Bush nearly a decade ago, would ensure a resumption of today’s fiery debate in 2012, when Obama is expected to reapply for his job, strategists in both parties said.

    It also is angering the left wing of the Democratic Party, which already has a long list of complaints about Obama.

    “President Obama has shown a complete refusal to fight Republicans throughout his presidency even when the public is on his side — and millions of his former supporters are now growing disappointed and infuriated by this refusal to fight,” said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee.

    The PCCC on Monday afternoon circulated quotes from 2008 Obama campaign staffers who expressed disillusionment with the president for agreeing to extend tax cuts for the wealthy amid signs that the White House and Republicans were edging closer to a deal.

    “Obama is demobilizing the troops and demoralizing the public right before he seeks reelection,” Green said.

    The compromises by the White House have also disappointed liberals in the House and Senate, who have pushed Obama to take a tougher line with the GOP. Some liberals had said it would be better for Obama to allow all of the tax cuts to expire rather than cave to GOP demands and allow tax cuts for the wealthy to be extended.

    Democratic strategists are disappointed that the president appears to be fighting the tax debate on terms dictated by Republicans, who have been able to frame a tax increase on any taxpayers as detrimental to a struggling economy. Friday’s unemployment report, showing a surprising jump in the jobless rate — to 9.8 percent — didn’t make matters easier for the White House.
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    It all depends on whether people like Soros want to purchase this election like they did the last one.
    How is obama working out for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    It all depends on whether people like Soros want to purchase this election like they did the last one.
    It will be a lot more expensive this time. Last time around, people didn't know what they were getting with Obama, but in 2012, it will take a lot of advertising to overcome the public's experience with hope and change.
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    Crybabies. Did they really expect Obama to deliver everything he promised? No politician of any party ever does-they get into office and they realize there is only so much they can do.

    Did they (the left) want to pay higher taxes until congress could sort out who is rich enough to pay a higher tax? They were all disappointed in Clinton for NAFTA, but they still re-elected him.
     

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    I voted for Obama, very enthusiastically. It's semi-accurate to say I was part of his "base", who voted for him during the primaries.

    However, this year I did NOT vote for democrats, and in 2012 I will NOT give my vote to a corporatist weaseling party like the Democrats just because I want to "stop the Republicans" (which is sadly the only reason people vote democrat anymore, even though both parties are extremely unjust elitist parties)

    Obama ran as a man of the people, someone who would restore old left wing values and he's turned his back and so far has been a consistent continuation of all of Bush's policies.
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    I really wish Satanicus would start posting again. Between the election, and this, he's gotta be considering whether to use the razorblade, or pills.
    In most sports, cold-cocking an opposing player repeatedly in the face with a series of gigantic Slovakian uppercuts would get you a multi-game suspension without pay.

    In hockey, it means you have to sit in the penalty box for five minutes.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djones520 View Post
    I really wish Satanicus would start posting again. Between the election, and this, he's gotta be considering whether to use the razorblade, or pills.
    He must have been shamed by the election, I've seen him lurking but he doesn't post.
    How is obama working out for you?
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    The left has decided that Obama is too weak for their tastes (apparently, they expected a man who had never accomplished anything to be a pillar of strength), and are starting to attack him. This cartoon sums up their position:




    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Crybabies. Did they really expect Obama to deliver everything he promised? No politician of any party ever does-they get into office and they realize there is only so much they can do.

    Did they (the left) want to pay higher taxes until congress could sort out who is rich enough to pay a higher tax? They were all disappointed in Clinton for NAFTA, but they still re-elected him.
    The left is perfectly happy with higher taxes as long as they can point to the implementation of their agenda. They can point to a failing economy as a failure of capitalism and demand more socialism as the cure, even though it was socialist policies that created the failure. They are like an obese kid who demands more chocolate because he likes the taste, and doesn't understand what it does to him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    I voted for Obama, very enthusiastically. It's semi-accurate to say I was part of his "base", who voted for him during the primaries.
    Thank you for admitting that. You'd be amazed at how many Obama suckers... I mean voters, won't admit that they voted for him. It's actually kind of fun calling out someone who you know voted for hopey changeyness and asking how it worked out for them, especially after they've been laid off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    However, this year I did NOT vote for democrats, and in 2012 I will NOT give my vote to a corporatist weaseling party like the Democrats just because I want to "stop the Republicans" (which is sadly the only reason people vote democrat anymore, even though both parties are extremely unjust elitist parties).
    Uh, no. People vote for Democrats because they forget how bad they are. People vote for Republicans when they've been reminded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Obama ran as a man of the people, someone who would restore old left wing values and he's turned his back and so far has been a consistent continuation of all of Bush's policies.
    Obama, a "man of the people"? ROFLOL!!! Obama campaigned as the savior of America. His campaign presented him in messianic terms, and emphasized his moral and intellectual superiority to the rest of us. Of course, that turned out to be a complete lie, as he's actually not that sharp (smart people learn from their mistakes, dim people repeat them). He has governed as a socialist with a serious radical edge, and the massive Democratic defeat in the midterms was the direct result of the people getting a good look at what Obama really stands for, which is American decline and failure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    He must have been shamed by the election, I've seen him lurking but he doesn't post.
    Shame? Do liberals even understand the concept?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Thank you for admitting that. You'd be amazed at how many Obama suckers... I mean voters, won't admit that they voted for him. It's actually kind of fun calling out someone who you know voted for hopey changeyness and asking how it worked out for them, especially after they've been laid off.
    I even had a bumper sticker too. It's mostly torn off, just a little sliver so people know it was once on there.

    Uh, no. People vote for Democrats because they forget how bad they are. People vote for Republicans when they've been reminded.
    Do you vote Democrat? That's not why most people were excited about the 2008 election. People wanted to get away from the Bush policies that the Republican party represented. Obama articulated the fears and desires of people who simply couldn't handle where the country was going and looked to the guy at the top and his party.

    Even today, most people who still support the democrats will tell you that, in the end, their main reason for supporting them is because they are afraid of what they see as totally crazy Republicans taking power.

    This is not a good reason to support someone.




    Obama, a "man of the people"? ROFLOL!!! Obama campaigned as the savior of America. His campaign presented him in messianic terms, and emphasized his moral and intellectual superiority to the rest of us. Of course, that turned out to be a complete lie, as he's actually not that sharp (smart people learn from their mistakes, dim people repeat them).
    Maybe this is what you got out of his campaign but the sentiments were very different from his supporters. We didn't see him as being morally or intellectually superior, but we did see him as very intelligent and willing to engage in straightforward discussions about problems rather than partaking in the shit-flinging contest that is modern "political discourse".

    He promised to stop campaigning on fear. Many people from all political stripes felt betrayed by Bush. We felt that he had used the public's justified fear and trauma after 9/11 to push forward with ridiculous laws like the Patriot Act and moves like the invasion of Iraq. People wanted a leader who would speak to them like adults, rather than playing to people's basic animal fears.

    Unfortunately, this was maybe hoping for too much.

    I still think he's extraordinarily intelligent, and I didn't buy into the left's arguments that Bush was stupid either. He pushed his agenda extremely effectively he knew damn well what he was doing.

    He has governed as a socialist with a serious radical edge, and the massive Democratic defeat in the midterms was the direct result of the people getting a good look at what Obama really stands for, which is American decline and failure.
    lmao no. I'm sorry I do not mean to be insulting but you are simply ignorant about what socialism is, also State Capitalism/ Fascism.

    Obama is NOT a socialist, he doesn't push for any socialist policies, and every self-identified socialist/marxist is extremely unhappy with Obama. Socialist parties in the USA have totally disavowed Obama. Obama is NOT a leftist by any significant measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Obama is NOT a socialist, he doesn't push for any socialist policies, and every self-identified socialist/marxist is extremely unhappy with Obama. Socialist parties in the USA have totally disavowed Obama. Obama is NOT a leftist by any significant measure.
    Obama is a socialist. He wants income distribution; he wants one world government;, he wants one world currency; he wants a World Court. Him and his left wing buddies are trying to emulate European countries. He want every worker to be unionized. The reason Soris and his band of lunatics are unhappy is that Obama has not delivered on all his promises. I would think taking over 1/6 of the economy (health care) would satisfy them but no they want single payer. Obama is a leftist. However, he can not govern as one cause we have 3 branches of government that prevent him from doing many of the things he wants to. The tax cuts are a good example. He wants to tax the shit out of those making over $250k but he cannot. Taking from the haves and giving to the have nots is socialism.
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