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    HOLY SHIT!

    Sanders is still speaking, this is over 8 hours already. I've had to miss parts but I've seen most of it and he's efficiently and succintly destroyed all conservative economic arguments I've never seen this much ownage on the floor of the senate.

    I watch C-Span when important debates are going but I've never seen something like this.

    If more people didn't have the attention span of a child maybe this would have more impact but my god it's good to see some people are speaking the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    I've had to miss parts but I've seen most of it and he's efficiently and succintly destroyed all conservative economic arguments I've never seen this much ownage on the floor of the senate.
    You've demonstrated time and again on this board that you don't understand the science of economics, so how on earth could you possibly tell who is "destroying" any given argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    You've demonstrated time and again on this board that you don't understand the science of economics, so how on earth could you possibly tell who is "destroying" any given argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    HOLY SHIT!

    Sanders is still speaking, this is over 8 hours already. I've had to miss parts but I've seen most of it and he's efficiently and succintly destroyed all conservative economic arguments I've never seen this much ownage on the floor of the senate.

    I watch C-Span when important debates are going but I've never seen something like this.

    If more people didn't have the attention span of a child maybe this would have more impact but my god it's good to see some people are speaking the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    The government needs to increase revenues and cut spending because we have a mountain of debt to tackle and it's not going to pay back itself. That is the reason I support higher government revenues through a broader taxpayer base. I don't like the idea of more suckers losing their money any more than I like the idea of giving politicians the chance to piss away the higher revenues an economic recovery would bring into the treasury. However, the debt must be paid down, and the deficits must be closed.



    The Republicans can't work spending cuts, discretionary or otherwise, into any deals yet because they haven't yet taken the helm. It's the Republican minority that is trying to get a deal through before January 1st, to prevent an increase in payroll deductions. I wouldn't accuse them of dropping the ball on spending cuts until they at least are handed the ball to drop.
    If they cut spending and propose a budget that is less than current revenues, then I would be more supportive of temporary measures that were aimed specifically at the debt, but this has not been the current history of either party and this latest compromise does nothing to instill confidence that they are committed to a sound fiscal policy.

    Even if the rates went to pre-tax cut levels on January 1, the Repubs could pass a retroactive bill without the so called Stimulus II additions that Obama has added to the current bill. This bill is also a knife in the back to the newly elected Republicans because it denies them the chance to do what they believe is right and what they campaigned on. It seems that Boehner and the current faux conservatives don't want the new kids on the block to come in be able to take a crack on doing what they could not or would not do even when Boehner and a lot of the other RINOs had the chance pre-2006. They have to keep that power structure intact and heaven forbid any snot nosed newcomers should challenge them or show them up.

    This bill is still toxic waste any way you add it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    If they cut spending and propose a budget that is less than current revenues, then I would be more supportive of temporary measures that were aimed specifically at the debt, but this has not been the current history of either party and this latest compromise does nothing to instill confidence that they are committed to a sound fiscal policy.

    Even if the rates went to pre-tax cut levels on January 1, the Repubs could pass a retroactive bill without the so called Stimulus II additions that Obama has added to the current bill. This bill is also a knife in the back to the newly elected Republicans because it denies them the chance to do what they believe is right and what they campaigned on. It seems that Boehner and the current faux conservatives don't want the new kids on the block to come in be able to take a crack on doing what they could not or would not do even when Boehner and a lot of the other RINOs had the chance pre-2006. They have to keep that power structure intact and heaven forbid any snot nosed newcomers should challenge them or show them up.

    This bill is still toxic waste any way you add it up.
    To put this on a personal level it would be like me cutting back on my hours and then taking out a new loan for a summer home when I'm already fighting to pay bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    To put this on a personal level it would be like me cutting back on my hours and then taking out a new loan for a summer home when I'm already fighting to pay bills.
    Sorry, not following that analogy at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madisonian View Post
    Sorry, not following that analogy at all
    Lower your income and increase your spending? I'm all for keeping the tax rate the same, but they have included in this bill billions in new spending. If your income is going to stay the same or decrease, you spend less and borrow less, why is that hard to understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Lower your income and increase your spending? I'm all for keeping the tax rate the same, but they have included in this bill billions in new spending. If your income is going to stay the same or decrease, you spend less and borrow less, why is that hard to understand?
    Ok...
    I thought your analogy was to my reply, not to the proposed bill, hence the confusion. I understand that this is exactly what is happening in this bill and for some silly ass reason the conjobservatives are for it.

    It's been a long night and I still am trying to figure out what stinking of hazelnut means from a different post.
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