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    Quote Originally Posted by AmPat View Post
    Just don't be guilty of characterizing illiterate as ill/uninformed. The ancient Jews were informed and educated. There was no need at that time for each person to have a formal education because their society had dedicated roles designed to take care of those requirements.


    The Romans are the ones who recorded the history that secular readers know, except for maybe the writings of Flavius Josephus, who was a romanized jew (like the apostle Paul). The Romans thought that all their conquered peoples were illiterate and "primative" compared to the culture they created and considered to be superior to any other ever created. They would have never recognized the complexities and history of the hebrew language or religion as being anything but "barbarian" .
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    The Romans are the ones who recorded the history that secular readers know, except for maybe the writings of Flavius Josephus, who was a romanized jew (like the apostle Paul). The Romans thought that all their conquered peoples were illiterate and "primative" compared to the culture they created and considered to be superior to any other ever created. They would have never recognized the complexities and history of the hebrew language or religion as being anything but "barbarian" .
    You are mostly correct, but with a couple of exceptions. First, the term "barbarian" comes from the Greek "barbaros", or one who does not speak the language. It may be more accurately translated as outsider or stranger, and in that regard, the Romans considered everyone outside of Roman culture to be alien, but not necessarily inferior. The Romans recognized the Greek culture as being the equal of Roman culture, for example, and held Greek philosophy and art in high esteem. They considered the Hebrews incomprehensible, but not barbarians, the way that they looked at the Gaulic tribes. It was more akin to an American's reaction to a Frenchman's chauvinism about French culture. If anything, they perceived the eastern peoples as decadent and in decline, rather than simply barbaric.
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