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    Michael Reilly, Discovery News

    Aug. 25, 2008 -- Locked away in the frozen soils of the Arctic tundra, there lies a ticking time bomb.

    Nothing more than accumulated leaves, roots and other plant matter, the unassuming detritus is rich in carbon, giving it the power to dramatically enhance the effects of global warming should it ever get into the atmosphere. But for now it mostly lies dormant, in cold storage in the permafrosts of Siberia, Alaska, and Canada.

    That's starting to change, according to some scientists. The planet has already begun to warm as a result of humans pumping billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere each year. The permafrost is starting to melt, and that pent-up carbon is already leaking into the air in the form of carbon dioxide and methane, powerful greenhouse gases.

    Even worse, there may be more of the stuff than anyone ever thought.

    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/0...tic-tundra.htm
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    Michael Reilly, Discovery News

    Aug. 25, 2008 -- Locked away in the frozen soils of the Arctic tundra, there lies a ticking time bomb.

    Nothing more than accumulated leaves, roots and other plant matter, the unassuming detritus is rich in carbon, giving it the power to dramatically enhance the effects of global warming should it ever get into the atmosphere. But for now it mostly lies dormant, in cold storage in the permafrosts of Siberia, Alaska, and Canada.

    That's starting to change, according to some scientists. The planet has already begun to warm as a result of humans pumping billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere each year. The permafrost is starting to melt, and that pent-up carbon is already leaking into the air in the form of carbon dioxide and methane, powerful greenhouse gases.

    Even worse, there may be more of the stuff than anyone ever thought.

    http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/0...tic-tundra.htm
    There is a lot of methane looked up beneath the polar ice cap that will be released in the event of a total melt. Methane is work than carbon dixoxide when it comes to green house gases.

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    I dont believe in Global Warming.

    Yes we may be in a warming trend, but throughout history the world has dont this itself as it cycles through time and there is NO proof that this is anything we made
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    Yep, just another over-humped reaction to a natural occurrence. No global warming possible and Rush is dead on in his assessment of the propaganda that claims their is. Man’s effect on the Earth is insignificant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NonConformist View Post
    I dont believe in Global Warming.

    Yes we may be in a warming trend, but throughout history the world has dont this itself as it cycles through time and there is NO proof that this is anything we made
    There is no 100% positive proof, no. There are extremely strong correlations, and an ever growing body of evidence that supports the theory.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't defend the hysteria and all round craziness of the envireligionists... but...

    The right wing (talk radio in particular) has slowly but steadily fostered and encouraged a fear and mistrust towards science when it's inconvenient for their desires and agenda. This is most obvious when it comes to global warming... The biggest lie that is pushed on a daily basis by the talking heads is that if you side with science (ie you believe global warming is probable) than you necessarily are committed to a certain political agenda, namely socialism or extreme liberalism. Heck, even some of the left wing socialist environmentalist crazies might say the same thing... but this couldn't be farther from the truth.

    I don't think we should counter the environmental extremists with an equally hysterical, yet opposite reaction in the form of global warming (aka climate change) denial... its just as bat shit crazy as the envireligionists at this point... just in at the opposite pole. False dichotomies arent a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    There is no 100% positive proof, no. There are extremely strong correlations, and an ever growing body of evidence that supports the theory.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't defend the hysteria and all round craziness of the envireligionists... but...

    The right wing (talk radio in particular) has slowly but steadily fostered and encouraged a fear and mistrust towards science when it's inconvenient for their desires and agenda. This is most obvious when it comes to global warming... The biggest lie that is pushed on a daily basis by the talking heads is that if you side with science (ie you believe global warming is probable) than you necessarily are committed to a certain political agenda, namely socialism or extreme liberalism. Heck, even some of the left wing socialist environmentalist crazies might say the same thing... but this couldn't be farther from the truth.

    I don't think we should counter the environmental extremists with an equally hysterical, yet opposite reaction in the form of global warming (aka climate change) denial... its just as bat shit crazy as the envireligionists at this point... just in at the opposite pole. False dichotomies arent a good thing.
    It is cheaper in cost and in lives lost by doing nothing at all. Global warming and global cooling are the same thing, a diversive plot to ruin economies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LogansPapa View Post
    Yep, just another over-humped reaction to a natural occurrence. No global warming possible and Rush is dead on in his assessment of the propaganda that claims their is. Man’s effect on the Earth is insignificant.
    Usually I can pick up on sarcasm, but I'm a little crossed up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot45 View Post
    It is cheaper in cost and in lives lost by doing nothing at all. Global warming and global cooling are the same thing, a diversive plot to ruin economies.
    No its a scientific theory which is nearly unanimously accepted among climatologists (the people who actually make a living studying this stuff). I'm sure there are those who have hi-jacked the science for their own "divisive plots", but we don't have to ignore the science just to oppose these people by automatically taking the opposite position. This is exactly how the issue has been framed for the right wing, for years. They trot out quacks of the highest order, all over who will say what they want them to say.... "there is no science behind global warming" etc etc. Its a lie, and a pretty obvious one if you check their claims.

    Youre either with us or against us. You either deny global warming, or your a commie liberal who hates America.

    Bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyelids View Post
    Usually I can pick up on sarcasm, but I'm a little crossed up here.
    As a general rule, if it starts with Yep, it's sarcasm.

    Kinda like stories that start with So at your other home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    No its a scientific theory which is nearly unanimously accepted among climatologists (the people who actually make a living studying this stuff). I'm sure there are those who have hi-jacked the science for their own "divisive plots", but we don't have to ignore the science just to oppose these people by automatically taking the opposite position. This is exactly how the issue has been framed for the right wing, for years. They trot out quacks of the highest order, all over who will say what they want them to say.... "there is no science behind global warming" etc etc. Its a lie, and a pretty obvious one if you check their claims.

    Youre either with us or against us. You either deny global warming, or your a commie liberal who hates America.

    Bullshit.
    Only Linda #s can correct my verbage! :D I meant what I wrote.
    Diversive - different and varied.

    Only one question matters and you can't answer it. What is the correct temperature of the earth?

    These 5 bullet points should be taken into consideration.

    There’s insufficient evidence for a long-term warming trend
    The earth’s warming is not historically significant
    The warming is not anthropogenic
    The benefits of a warmer earth exceed the costs
    Stopping warming is economically impractical or undesirable
    Implementing government controls is the wrong response to climate change

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