This year my pool water hasn't gotten over 90 yet.
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This doesn’t mean that you can’t challenge absurd claims. If someone claims that the temperature will rise 10 degrees, and oceans will rise 20 feet in the next 100 years, you can point out that temperature rose at less than 1 degree in the 20th century, and oceans are rising at 1-3mm per year according to the alarmists themselves.
Could the Chicken Littles and the rest of the doomsayers kindly go climb a tree?
The world hasnt warmed since 1998, we are into cooling, not warming, the IPCC them,selves screwed up, there will be no seven metre sea level rises (the IPCC changed its mind and now says seven centimetres)
.No its a scientific theory which is nearly unanimously accepted among climatologists (the people who actually make a living studying this stuff)
Thats a lie.
Dr Tim Ball, Natural Resources Stewardship Project chairman and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg, agrees the climate just isn’t behaving as the warming alarmists says it should:Philip Stott, Professor Emeritus of Biogeography at the University of London, wonders how much longer the media can ignore what’s really happening with our climate:
But that is precisely what is happening. Since 1998, according to all the main world temperature records, including the UK Met Office’s ‘HadCRUT3’ data set [a globally-gridded product of near-surface temperatures consisting of annual differences from 1961-90 normals], the world average surface temperature has exhibited no warming whatsoever…
And now a Mexican expert, Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera (National Autonomous University of Mexico), is warning that the Earth will enter a new ‘Little Ice Age’ for up to 80 years due to decreases in solar activity… He describes the predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as “erroneous”.
If this cooling phase really does persist, it will be illuminating to observe how long our media can maintain its befuddled state of ‘cognitive dissonance’.
“There is not a single case for any period of any duration where CO2 increase precedes temperature increase. All records show temperature increase precedes CO2 increase. But the IPCC have ‘proved’ with computer models they are 90% certain that the current warming is due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases, namely CO2. This is pre-determined because the computer model is programmed to have an increase in temperature if CO2 increases. By their own definitive statements, temperatures cannot go down as long as CO2 increases. Trouble is CO2 has continued to increase but temperatures have declined and many scientists expect them to go lower until at least 2030.
Freeman Dyson says no
I do not "believe in" global warming, I also dont believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, honest politicians, fairies at the bottom of the garden or that Eyelids has anything even closely resembling brain matter.
"Believe" is religion, not science, science is fact, the fact is that there is no
"consensus", it is a blatant lie to say that it is "nearly unanimously accepted" when it is NOT, and quite frankly, if I had a dollar for every end of the world scenario I've heard, I'd be Donald Trump.
before that global cooling
before that the Saturn Conjunction that would send us into the sun
before that the terror that nuclear bombs would send us out of orbit
..whats next, a giant mutant star goat?
..must be all those SUV's..In fact, many astronomers have announced that Pluto has been experiencing global warming,
If all sea ice were to melt tomorrow, sea level would not rise 1 inch
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Which means the models are just that, models, and no one knows for certain. "Science by consensus" reminds me of "If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump too??"The temperature trend for roughly the past 10 years has been nearly flat but temperatures over any given decade are not necessarily indicative of climate. Scientists typically look at a span of 30 years to establish a climate baseline.
AGW is a lie, a myth, scaremongering, panic merchanting.
Here is a partial list of people who say otherwise.No its a scientific theory which is nearly unanimously accepted among climatologists (the people who actually make a living studying this stuff)
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Greenland Ice Cores,” in Climate Processes and Climate Sensitivity (1984), ed., F. E.
Hansen and T. Takahashi, Geophysical Monograph 29, (Washington, D.C.,
American Geophysical Union).
W. Dansgaard, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
Hans Oeschger, deceased, retired from the University of Bern, Switzerland
W Dansgaard et al., “Evidence for general instability of past climate from a 250-kyr
ice-core record,” Nature 364 (1992): 218-220
W. Dansgaard, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
S. J. Johnson, University of Iceland
H.B. Clausen, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
D. Dahl-Jensen, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
N.S. Gundestrup, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
C.U. Hammer, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
C.S. Hvidberg, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
J. P. Steffenson, University of Copenhagen, Denmark
A. E. Sveinbjornsdottir, University of Iceland
J. Jouzel, French Atomic Energy Commission
G. Bond, Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory, New York.
Claude Lorius et al., “A 150,000-Year Climatic Record from Antarctic Ice, “Nature,
Vol. 316, pp. 591-96, 1985.
Claude Lorius, French National Center for Scientific Research
C. Ritz, French National Center for Scientific Research
J. Jouzel, Geochemical Isotope Laboratory, France
L. Merlivat, Geochemical Isotope Laboratory, France
S. Korotkevich, Geochemical Isotope Laboratory, France
N. I>. Barkov, Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute, Leningrad
V. M. Kotlyakov, Russian Institute of Geography
T. Cronin, “Climatic Variability in the Eastern U.S. over the past Millennium from
Chesapeake Bay Sediments, Geology, Vol. 28, p 3-6, 2000
T. Cronin, USGS
D. Willard, USGS
A Karlsen, USGS
S. Ishman, USGS
S. Verardo, USGS
J/. McGeehin USGS
Kerhin, Maryland Geological Survey, Baltimore, MD
C Holmes, USGS
S. Colman, USGS
A. Zimmerman, Virginia Inst. Of Marine, Science, Gloucester Pt, VA
Gerald H. Haug, “Climate and the Collapse of Maya Civilization,” Science 299
Gerald H. Haug, Geopforschungszenfrum, Potsdam, Germany
Detlef Gunther, ETH, Zurich, Switzerland
Larry C. Peterson, University of Miami
Daniel M. Sigman, Princeton University
Konrad A Hughen, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Beat Aeschlimann, ETH, Zurich, Switzerland
David Hodell et al., “Solar Forcing of Drought Frequency in the Maya Lowlands,”
Science 292 (2001): 1367-70.
David Hodell, University of Florida
Mark Brenner, University of Florida
Jason H. Curtis, University of Florida
Thomas Guilderson, Livermore National Lab, Livermore, CA
Nicolas Caillon et al., “Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature
Changes Across Termination III,” Science 299 (2003): 1728-31.
Nicolas Caillon, Scripps Institutionion of Oceanography
Jeffrey P. Severinghaus, Scripps
Jean Jouzel, French Atomic Energy Commission
Jean-Marc Barnola, Laboratory of Glaciology and Geophysics Environment, France
Jiancheng Kang, Polar Research Institute of China
Volodya Lipenkov, Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute, St. Petersburg, Russia
Here are some more
. Balling, University of Aarhus, Denmark
Paul A. Mayewski et al., “Major features and forcing of high-latitude northern
hemisphere atmosphere circulation using a 110,000-year-long glaciochemical
series,” Journal of Geophysical Research, 102 (1997): 26,345-26,356.
Paul A. Mayewski, Loren D. Mekker, U. N>H>,
Mark S. Twickler, University of New Hampshire
Sallie Whitlow, University of New Hampshire
Qunzhao Yang, University of New Hampshire
W. Berry Lyons, University of Alabama
Michael Prentice, University of New Hampshire
Sharon E Nicolson, “The nature of rainfall variability over Africa on time scales of
decades to millennia,” Global and Planetary Changes 26 (2000): 137-158.
Sharon Nicholson, Florida State
Henry Lamb, “Vegetation Response to Rainfall Variation and Human Impact in
Central Kenya during the Past 1,100 Years” The Holocene 13 (2003):258–92.
Henry Lamb, Institute of Geography and Earth Science, University of Wales
Iain Darbyshire, Institute of Geography and Earth Science, Univ. of Wales
Dirk Verschuren, Institute of Geography and Earth Science, Univ. of Wales
Bettina Schilman et al., “Global Climate Instability Reflected by Eastern
Mediterranean Marine Records during the Late Holocene, Paleogeography,
Paleoclimatology, Paleoecology 176 (2001): 157-76.
Bettina Schilman, Geological Survey of Israel
Miryam Bar-Matthews, Geological Survey of Israel
Ahuva Almogi-Labin, Geological Survey of Israel
Boaz Luz, Hebrew University of Jerusalem
N/ Shaviv and J. Veizer, “Celestial Driver of Phanerozoic climate?” Geological
Society of America 13 (2003): 4-10.
Nir Shaviv, Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Jan Veizer, University of Ottawa, Canada
Hubert H. Lamb, Climate, history and the Modern World (New York: Rutledge
Hubert H. Lamb, East Anglia University, UK
Kang Chao, Man and Land in China: An Economic Analysis (Palo Alto, CA:
Stanford University Press, 1986).
Kang Chao, Tunghai University, China
L. G. Thompson, T. Yao, “A High Resolution Millennial Record of the South Asian
Monsoon from Himalayan Ice Cores,” Science Vol. 289 (2000) 1916-1919.
L. G. Thompson, Ohio State T. Yao, Chinese Academy of Sciences
E. Mosley-Thompson, Ohio State
M. E. Davis, Ohio State
K.A. Henderson, Ohio State
P.-N. Lin, Ohio State
Gerard Bond et al., “A Pervasive Millennial-Scale Cycle in North Atlantic Holocene
and Glacial Climates,” Science, Vol., 278 (1997) 1257-1266.
Gerard Bond, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, New York.
William Showers, North Carolina State
Maziet Cheseby, Lamont-Doherty Institute
Rusty Lotti, Lamont-Doherty
Peter deMenocal, Lamont-Doherty
Paul Priore, Lamont-Doherty
Heidi Cullen, Lamont-Doherty
Irka Hadas, ETH, Zurich
Georges Bonani, ETH, Zurich,
Peter Almasi, Lamont-Doherty
Gerard Bond et al., “Persistent Solar Influence on North Atlantic Climate during
the Holocene,” Science 294 (2001): 2130-2136.
Gerard Bond, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, New York
Bernd Kromer, Heidelbert Academy of Sciences, Germany
Juerg Beer, Eidgenossische Anstalt fur Wasserversorgung, Switzerland
Raimund Muscheler, University of Arizona
Michael N Evans, University of Arizona
William Showers, North Carolina State University
Sharon Hoffman, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Rusty Lotti-Gond, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Irka Hajdas, Accelrator Mass Spectrometry
Georges Bonani, Accelerator Mass Spectrometry
P. M. Liew et al., “Holocene thermal optimal and climate variability of East Asian
monsoon inferred from forest reconstruction of a subalpine pollen sequence,
Taiwan,” Earth and Planetary Science Letters 250 (2006): 596-605.
P. M. Liew, National Taiwan University
C.Y. Lee, National Taiwan University
C.M. Kuo, Chinese Petroleum Corporation, Taipei
L. Keigwin, “The Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period in the Sargasso Sea,”
Science Vol., 274(1996) 1503-1508.
Figuring prominently at the top of the list is a bit of text which I can only assume you omitted on purpose because it undermines your point...
CITATION OF THE WORK OF THE FOLLOWING SCIENTISTS DOES NOT IMPLY THAT THEY NECESSARILY SUPPORT OUR CONCLUSIONS
What? Did you honestly think I wouldn't check?
The instrumental temperature record is not a climate model. The instrumental temperature record is just that... a record of temperatures based on measurements by instruments such as satellites and surface stations. Models are used for prediction purposes.Which means the models are just that, models, and no one knows for certain.
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