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    Another thread that is posted repeatedly on DU. This one is just as stupid as all the others...


    butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-02-11 12:24 AM
    Original message What Would It Look Like If Red States Formed Their Own Country?


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    With the recent fervor from the Right about states’ rights, particularly in relation to health care reform, and recurring noises throughout Obama’s presidency about Texas threatening to secede, a salient question is worth considering. What would it look like if all the conservatives formed a “utopia” in Texas, say, and broke away from the United States?

    The fascinating thing about conservatism is that many poor people subscribe to its principles thanks in large part to Fox News and talk radio, even though it calls for doing away with the safety net. This is crucial for forming a conservative utopia because the wealthy business interests who push for deregulation need the impoverished to provide (usually cheap and hard) labor and perform other men
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    While the poor would likely suffer the most at first, since freedom from “government intrusion” in the workplace guarantees the absence of minimum wage laws, sanitation requirements and unemployment benefits, ultimately the entire society would implode, since, as the sub-prime mortgage crisis proves, unfettered free markets concentrate most of the wealth in the hands of a few mega financial firms, which would destroy themselves by creating a massive boom-bust cycle, leaving everyone destitute.
    I have to laugh every time some fucktard makes the claim that the sub-prime collapse was due to unfettered free market or deregulation or capitalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliCon View Post
    I have to laugh every time some fucktard makes the claim that the sub-prime collapse was due to unfettered free market or deregulation or capitalism.



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    They didn't say what the Liberal states would look like, did they.

    Massive taxes, massive regulation, massive crime, massive censorship , massives strikes, massive protests massive bureaucracy and very few liberties.

    A place that could quicky become a dictatorship, or it would be total a anarchy.

    But they would still blame someone else for their misjudgement and out right screw ups.

    And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan D. Doty View Post
    They didn't say what the Liberal states would look like, did they.

    Massive taxes, massive regulation, massive crime, massive censorship , massives strikes, massive protests massive bureaucracy and very few liberties.

    A place that could quicky become a dictatorship, or it would be total a anarchy.

    But they would still blame someone else for their misjudgement and out right screw ups.

    And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.

    Which leads to one thought...INVASION!!!! :D By US of course... :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan D. Doty View Post
    And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.
    And camps.... lots of camps.:D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan D. Doty View Post
    They didn't say what the Liberal states would look like, did they.

    Massive taxes, massive regulation, massive crime, massive censorship , massives strikes, massive protests massive bureaucracy and very few liberties.

    A place that could quicky become a dictatorship, or it would be total a anarchy.

    But they would still blame someone else for their misjudgement and out right screw ups.

    And one more thing, we would have the farms, the oil, the mines and most of the guns.
    You forgot massive unemployment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Wood View Post
    You forgot massive unemployment.
    My bad.

    A lot of this was worked out in the Ashes series by William W Johnstone.

    If things go through to form, sooner or later the Blues would send a couple million over the border. The Moonbats telling them that all your stuff really belonged to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaRepub View Post
    Which leads to one thought...INVASION!!!! :D By US of course... :p
    No way. We'd want nothing to do with them, and conquering liberals just means that we have to feed, cloth and house them while they cojmplain about what fascists we are. No thanks. Besides, they'd build a wall to keep their people from emigrating as their economy collapsed, and we'd maintain it because we don't want unemployable liberals coming into the Red States.

    The differences between the Red States of America and the Blue States of America would be very interesting, though. At a glance, I'd say that the following would apply:

    Free Speech:
    RSA: No limiits on political speech, internet or any other forms of expression that are intended for adults.
    BSA: No limits on explicitly sexual imagerary, or the acts that they document, but strict controls on political speech and funding.

    Economics:
    RSA: High economic freedom index, low marginal tax rates, if not an outright flat tax. In practice, the majority of the RSA would look like Texas in terms of policy.
    BSA: Think Massachussetts or California. Low economic freedom index, high tax rates which penalyze wealthier people and punish success. Poor economic growth, which will be blamed on greedy RSA types, even as they are driven out of business. Eventually, most major cities will look like Camden, NJ.

    Defense:
    RSA: The War Department will be focused on real threats, and will not be pussified into PC doublespeak that fails to identify enemies.
    BSA: The Secretary of Health, Human Services and Defense will oversee a military that is committed to diversity, nuclear disarmament and ensuring that the rights of the enemies of the nation are treated with compassion and fairness, at least until they are overrun.

    Education:
    RSA: States will control their own schools, but national standards of educaiton will require that schools teach history, basic literacy and math and that students are actually able to read their diplomas.
    BSA: Schools will turn out graduates who can barely understand the welfare forms, but the unions will be very well compensated.

    Labor:
    RSA: Unions will be legal in the private sector, but banned in the public sector, in order to prevent public employees from holding the states hostage to their demands. Violence by unions will not be tolerated, and money collected from members will be used only for the purpose that it is collected, which is for collective bargaining, pensions or payment of union activities. Political activities will be financed by voluntary contributions, and laws will enforce the voluntary aspect.
    BSA: Each employee will belong to a union, like it or not, and the union will enforce labor rules and compliance with government policies.

    Immigration Policy:
    RSA: Similar to 1890-1939, with minimal restrictions for law-abiding, gainfully employed immigrants. Deportation of illegals, and especially criminals. Strict quotas on BSA immigration, with further restrictions on those with a history of leftist political agitation and activism. This will be tested as the BSA economy collapses and the Blue Staters start trying to escape what they have voted in.
    BSA: Open borders coming in, but severe restrictions on leaving, especially for the RSA, and especially if you are taking property with you. Expect a series of Berlin Wall type structures to be put up for the purpose of preventing flight.
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