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    I watched 1984 last night. I imagine the Red States would look like that but completely opposite. The blue states while not 1984 would be closer to the US of Atlas Shrugged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    LOL!
    I'm serious. I don't think some members of DU are capable of thinking past that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    No way. We'd want nothing to do with them, and conquering liberals just means that we have to feed, cloth and house them while they cojmplain about what fascists we are. No thanks. Besides, they'd build a wall to keep their people from emigrating as their economy collapsed, and we'd maintain it because we don't want unemployable liberals coming into the Red States.

    The differences between the Red States of America and the Blue States of America would be very interesting, though. At a glance, I'd say that the following would apply:

    Free Speech:
    RSA: No limiits on political speech, internet or any other forms of expression that are intended for adults.
    BSA: No limits on explicitly sexual imagerary, or the acts that they document, but strict controls on political speech and funding.

    Economics:
    RSA: High economic freedom index, low marginal tax rates, if not an outright flat tax. In practice, the majority of the RSA would look like Texas in terms of policy.
    BSA: Think Massachussetts or California. Low economic freedom index, high tax rates which penalyze wealthier people and punish success. Poor economic growth, which will be blamed on greedy RSA types, even as they are driven out of business. Eventually, most major cities will look like Camden, NJ.

    Defense:
    RSA: The War Department will be focused on real threats, and will not be pussified into PC doublespeak that fails to identify enemies.
    BSA: The Secretary of Health, Human Services and Defense will oversee a military that is committed to diversity, nuclear disarmament and ensuring that the rights of the enemies of the nation are treated with compassion and fairness, at least until they are overrun.

    Education:
    RSA: States will control their own schools, but national standards of educaiton will require that schools teach history, basic literacy and math and that students are actually able to read their diplomas.
    BSA: Schools will turn out graduates who can barely understand the welfare forms, but the unions will be very well compensated.

    Labor:
    RSA: Unions will be legal in the private sector, but banned in the public sector, in order to prevent public employees from holding the states hostage to their demands. Violence by unions will not be tolerated, and money collected from members will be used only for the purpose that it is collected, which is for collective bargaining, pensions or payment of union activities. Political activities will be financed by voluntary contributions, and laws will enforce the voluntary aspect.
    BSA: Each employee will belong to a union, like it or not, and the union will enforce labor rules and compliance with government policies.

    Immigration Policy:
    RSA: Similar to 1890-1939, with minimal restrictions for law-abiding, gainfully employed immigrants. Deportation of illegals, and especially criminals. Strict quotas on BSA immigration, with further restrictions on those with a history of leftist political agitation and activism. This will be tested as the BSA economy collapses and the Blue Staters start trying to escape what they have voted in.
    BSA: Open borders coming in, but severe restrictions on leaving, especially for the RSA, and especially if you are taking property with you. Expect a series of Berlin Wall type structures to be put up for the purpose of preventing flight.
    Excellent job, though with the section of economics, I'd imagine most major cities in the BSA would look like Detroit, not Camden.
    Here are a couple I'd add:

    Freedom of Religion:
    RSA: All citizens will have complete freedom to practice and exercise their respective religious beliefs, assuming that they do not engage in or openly promote violence or crime by doing so, or greatly inconvenience those of another religion by doing so (i.e. holding a mass prayer in a city street without a permit that blocks traffic).
    BSA: Freedom to practice and exercise religious beliefs applies only to those citizens who follow enlightened, politically- correct religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism/ Agnosticism, and the various forms of mysticism, paganism, and the occult. Openly practicing Christianity is highly illegal, unless done in ways that are heavily influenced by massive amounts of "Liberation theology" and the "Social gospel," and with little to no actual reference to the Bible. Judaism will be judged on a case- by- case basis (i.e. Jews who openly express support for the nation of Israel or agree with the Torah's stance against homosexual practice are to be strictly punished).

    Criminal Justice:
    RSA: Convicted criminals, especially sex offenders and those who engage in massively violent acts (i.e. gang members), are to be strictly punished with jail time and whatever other sentences the law requires for their actions. Felons who have served their sentences and are to be released back into society are to be monitored to prevent them from repeating the actions that got them in prison in the first place, especially sex offenders. Laws against illicit drug use passed by most states when the country was still whole are to remain in effect. While the police will be closely monitored to prevent corruption, brutality, and other possible abuses of power, when a brutality complaint is raised against a police officer, the burden of proof lies on the one making the complaint.
    BSA: Most convicted criminals will be sentenced as leniently as possible, with probation, community service, and counseling handed out as penalties far more often than prison sentences, especially for sex offenders and those who belong to a racial or ethnic minority group. Any moitoring of felons who have been released back into society is strictly prohibited, as this would violate their rights and make them feel uncomfortable, especially sex offenders. All drug use is to be deemed fullly legal, with generous financial reparations paid to all citizens who received legal punishment in the past for using or distributing drugs which were illicit back then. The police are forbidden to use any kind of force against someone who is a member of a racial or ethnic minority group, even when it is done in self- defense or to protect the lives of others, and in the event of a brutality complaint, the burden of proof will lie on the officer to prove his or her innocence. Rather than focusing on sexual offenses, gang activity, or violent crimes, the police are to devote the vast majority of their resources to cracking down on "Hate Crimes," such as those who openly express unpopular sentiments and those who violate any of the aforementioned religious laws. Those citizens who are convicted of Hate Crimes are to receive the strictest penalties possible, including lengthy prison sentences and hefty fines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by movie buff View Post
    Excellent job, though with the section of economics, I'd imagine most major cities in the BSA would look like Detroit, not Camden.
    Here are a couple I'd add:

    Freedom of Religion:
    RSA: All citizens will have complete freedom to practice and exercise their respective religious beliefs, assuming that they do not engage in or openly promote violence or crime by doing so, or greatly inconvenience those of another religion by doing so (i.e. holding a mass prayer in a city street without a permit that blocks traffic).
    BSA: Freedom to practice and exercise religious beliefs applies only to those citizens who follow enlightened, politically- correct religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism/ Agnosticism, and the various forms of mysticism, paganism, and the occult. Openly practicing Christianity is highly illegal, unless done in ways that are heavily influenced by massive amounts of "Liberation theology" and the "Social gospel," and with little to no actual reference to the Bible. Judaism will be judged on a case- by- case basis (i.e. Jews who openly express support for the nation of Israel or agree with the Torah's stance against homosexual practice are to be strictly punished).

    Criminal Justice:
    RSA: Convicted criminals, especially sex offenders and those who engage in massively violent acts (i.e. gang members), are to be strictly punished with jail time and whatever other sentences the law requires for their actions. Felons who have served their sentences and are to be released back into society are to be monitored to prevent them from repeating the actions that got them in prison in the first place, especially sex offenders. Laws against illicit drug use passed by most states when the country was still whole are to remain in effect. While the police will be closely monitored to prevent corruption, brutality, and other possible abuses of power, when a brutality complaint is raised against a police officer, the burden of proof lies on the one making the complaint.
    BSA: Most convicted criminals will be sentenced as leniently as possible, with probation, community service, and counseling handed out as penalties far more often than prison sentences, especially for sex offenders and those who belong to a racial or ethnic minority group. Any moitoring of felons who have been released back into society is strictly prohibited, as this would violate their rights and make them feel uncomfortable, especially sex offenders. All drug use is to be deemed fullly legal, with generous financial reparations paid to all citizens who received legal punishment in the past for using or distributing drugs which were illicit back then. The police are forbidden to use any kind of force against someone who is a member of a racial or ethnic minority group, even when it is done in self- defense or to protect the lives of others, and in the event of a brutality complaint, the burden of proof will lie on the officer to prove his or her innocence. Rather than focusing on sexual offenses, gang activity, or violent crimes, the police are to devote the vast majority of their resources to cracking down on "Hate Crimes," such as those who openly express unpopular sentiments and those who violate any of the aforementioned religious laws. Those citizens who are convicted of Hate Crimes are to receive the strictest penalties possible, including lengthy prison sentences and hefty fines.
    Good points. Of course, racial issues would be handled very differently, as well.
    RSA: People are individuals. Discrimination by race, religion or sex must be proven, and real damages identified, before anyone hands you any money. In fact, the whole tort system will work the same way, with the onus on the plaintiff to not only prove a tort, but to prove actual damages, and awards will be limited to actual damages. In the event of a finding of punitive damages, the punitive part will go to the court, not the plaintiff, and certainly not their lawyers. Also, lawyers who enter a suit for contingency fees will be seen as parties to the suit, and subject to damages in the event that the suit is deemed frivolous.
    BSA: People are judged as members of racial, gender or ethnic groups. Crime is presumed to be based on grievances against society, and punishments will vary accordingly, with white males being the most heavily punished, unless they are part of the ruling class, in which case, they can get away with pretty much anything. Thus, a kid who lights up a cigarette indoors will be punished more harshly than a US Senator who drives under the influence and drowns a campaign aide. Lawyers will be allowed to enter pretty much anything as evidence, and the introduction of junk science will be limited only by the imaginations of the members of the plaintiff's bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
    Good points. Of course, racial issues would be handled very differently, as well.
    RSA: People are individuals. Discrimination by race, religion or sex must be proven, and real damages identified, before anyone hands you any money. In fact, the whole tort system will work the same way, with the onus on the plaintiff to not only prove a tort, but to prove actual damages, and awards will be limited to actual damages. In the event of a finding of punitive damages, the punitive part will go to the court, not the plaintiff, and certainly not their lawyers. Also, lawyers who enter a suit for contingency fees will be seen as parties to the suit, and subject to damages in the event that the suit is deemed frivolous. Also, if you bring suit against an individual or group or company and your claim is deemed frivolous, you will be financially responsible for the attorney or other litigation fees accrued by the offended party.
    BSA: People are judged as members of racial, gender or ethnic groups. Crime is presumed to be based on grievances against society, and punishments will vary accordingly, with white males being the most heavily punished, unless they are part of the ruling class, in which case, they can get away with pretty much anything. Thus, a kid who lights up a cigarette indoors will be punished more harshly than a US Senator who drives under the influence and drowns a campaign aide. Lawyers will be allowed to enter pretty much anything as evidence, and the introduction of junk science will be limited only by the imaginations of the members of the plaintiff's bar.
    I felt the need to add to your lawsuit part that there should be a loser pays system.
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    The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

    RSA: The right of all citizens to keep an bear arms will not be infringed, however, if you are convicted of a violent crime, you forfeit your right to keep and bear arms, depending on the severity of your crime. Citizens will also have the ability to carry a concealed firearm but in order to do so you must go through an extensive firearms safety course complete with a police type qualifying procedure which you must pass and subsequently must re-qualify every 2 years. The use of deadly force in self defense is authorized only if an imminent threat of loss of life or serious bodily injury is present. This may include a 3rd party. The use of deadly force in the defense of private property will be dependent upon the totality of the circumstances.
    BSA: Only law enforcement and military personnel or an established sanctioned militia will be permitted to carry firearms or own them privately. The citizenry will only be permitted to own a firearm for the express purpose of hunting, however, ammunition will be limited for this capacity and only after an application process which includes a background check. There will also be a limited amount of available licenses to own firearms for the purpose of hunting. The state reserves the right to revoke said license at any time as deemed necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post

    Free Speech:
    RSA: No limiits on political speech, internet or any other forms of expression that are intended for adults.
    BSA: No limits on explicitly sexual imagerary, or the acts that they document, but strict controls on political speech and funding.
    You forgot religious speech. In BSA religious speech would not be infringed unless you're a Christian or actually choose to believe what that quaint book the bible says.
    Economics:
    RSA: High economic freedom index, low marginal tax rates, if not an outright flat tax. In practice, the majority of the RSA would look like Texas in terms of policy.
    BSA: Think Massachussetts or California. Low economic freedom index, high tax rates which penalyze wealthier people and punish success. Poor economic growth, which will be blamed on greedy RSA types, even as they are driven out of business. Eventually, most major cities will look like Camden, NJ.
    I'd rather see a shift from income to consumption taxes myself . . . .
    Defense:
    RSA: The War Department will be focused on real threats, and will not be pussified into PC doublespeak that fails to identify enemies.
    BSA: The Secretary of Health, Human Services and Defense will oversee a military that is committed to diversity, nuclear disarmament and ensuring that the rights of the enemies of the nation are treated with compassion and fairness, at least until they are overrun.
    I think it would come to civil war in BSA before it came to invasion . . . .
    Education:
    RSA: States will control their own schools, but national standards of educaiton will require that schools teach history, basic literacy and math and that students are actually able to read their diplomas.
    BSA: Schools will turn out graduates who can barely understand the welfare forms, but the unions will be very well compensated.
    Helps when you spell education correctly ;) - but lets add rhetoric and logic to the required curriculum.
    Labor:
    RSA: Unions will be legal in the private sector, but banned in the public sector, in order to prevent public employees from holding the states hostage to their demands. Violence by unions will not be tolerated, and money collected from members will be used only for the purpose that it is collected, which is for collective bargaining, pensions or payment of union activities. Political activities will be financed by voluntary contributions, and laws will enforce the voluntary aspect.
    BSA: Each employee will belong to a union, like it or not, and the union will enforce labor rules and compliance with government policies.
    Unions should be limited by size as well - single shops or single companies. No single union should be able to hold an entire industry hostage al la the UAW.
    Immigration Policy:
    RSA: Similar to 1890-1939, with minimal restrictions for law-abiding, gainfully employed immigrants. Deportation of illegals, and especially criminals. Strict quotas on BSA immigration, with further restrictions on those with a history of leftist political agitation and activism. This will be tested as the BSA economy collapses and the Blue Staters start trying to escape what they have voted in.
    BSA: Open borders coming in, but severe restrictions on leaving, especially for the RSA, and especially if you are taking property with you. Expect a series of Berlin Wall type structures to be put up for the purpose of preventing flight.
    HEY! Some of us are Red staters trapped in blue state hells! :mad:
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    You guys are nuts if you think a red state country would be all sunshine and roses. What would happen is the politics would of course shift far to the right... but the problem is the "far right" for Republicans isn't some Libertarian place where adults can do what they want and laws make sense. The "far right" of the Republican party is Authoritarian, which is justified through arguments relating to National Security and biblical morality.
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