#1 Did Reagan really "defeat" the Soviet Union?01-02-2011, 08:47 PM
LOL!!! DU is full of really old BullShit threads!!! :D
cowcommander (548 posts) Sun Jan-02-11 04:07 AM
Original message Did Reagan really "defeat" the Soviet Union?
Conservatives have constantly used Reagan's military buildup back in the 80s, along with the Afghanistan debacle and the Star Wars program as a reason to why the Soviet Union collapsed. Is there really any truth to this? I've always been under the impression that the Soviet system was always fundamentally flawed and was inevitably going to collapse, even without American influence.
Answers are the standard Hate Raygun variety...:DMay the FORCE be with you!
01-02-2011, 10:34 PM
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01-03-2011, 12:56 AM
Ironically, the DUmmie backs himself into a corner with that statement. If he believes that Reagan helped spur the collapse of the Soviet Union, then he has to accept that being a 100% pacifist in the world doesn't work when you have evil empires abroad and that you need to be able to confront issues when they arise (unlike Mr. Carter).
If, however, he believes the system collapsed on its own, then it essentially pokes holes in the progressive ideology. That means government planning and management of resources on any scale will succumb to the same flaws like deficit spending, inequality of resource distribution, and the poor standard of living among the people.
Therefore, he is faced with either accepting the conservative premise on foreign policy or rejecting his progressive views.
01-03-2011, 12:27 PM
Everyone knows that Rocky ended the Cold War by knocking out Drago and winning over the Russian crowd.
01-03-2011, 12:35 PMcowcommander (548 posts) Sun Jan-02-11 04:07 AM
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Original message Did Reagan really "defeat" the Soviet Union?Education without values, as useful as it is, seems rather to make man a more clever devil.
C. S. Lewis
Do not ever say that the desire to "do good" by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives. (Are you listening Barry)?:mad:
01-03-2011, 01:15 PM
The USSR was doomed to collapse, both economically and politically. You can't maintain a totalitarian regime if you can't pay your army, or if your army gets tired of killing/repressing people. Reagan's policies just speeded it up a bit by forcing them to spend a lot of money keeping their nuclear arsenal competitive with ours.
The Solidarity movement in Poland is what started the way to the inevitable collapse of the Warsaw Pact. Reagan/Thatcher/JPII all played roles in encouraging what transpired afterwards.
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