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    Who does the GOP work for? Big Business? Workers? The People?

    Should be obvious:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46995.html

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) wants the oil industry, drug manufacturers and other trade groups and companies to tell him which Obama administration regulations to target this year.

    The incoming chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee - in letters sent to more than 150 trade associations, companies and think tanks last month - requested a list of existing and proposed regulations that would harm job growth.

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    "I believe for the last couple of years that we were honestly shut out of this debate at least on the House side," NPRA President Charles Drevna said. "Our policy positions haven't changed one iota. [But] is there a better chance of what I would consider a more fair hearing? Absolutely." Drevna received a letter from Issa late last month.

    the poor oil companies always get it so unfairly! oh boohoo

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    "As a trade organization with members that must comply with the regulatory state, I ask for your assistance in identifying existing and proposed regulations that have negatively impacted job growth in your members' industry," Issa wrote in a Dec. 8 letter to NAM. "Additionally, suggestions on reforming identified regulations and the rulemaking process would be appreciated."


    Well we got control of the House, so Big Business, tell us what to do!

    Can you get any more blatant? The one thing I do appreciate about Republicans is their brutal honesty in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Who does the GOP work for? Big Business? Workers? The People?

    Should be obvious:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46995.html





    Well we got control of the House, so Big Business, tell us what to do!

    Can you get any more blatant? The one thing I do appreciate about Republicans is their brutal honesty in this area.
    In two years, the moron-in-chief has not invited or asked 1 small business leaders for advise. The new House has not even been seated yet. I thought Obama was going to be up and running on day 1 and that unemployment was going down and hope and change for the GOOD was forthcoming. FYI, small business create about 70% of the jobs so what is this fool in the WH waiting for.

    You do have a point in that the Repubs are asking the wrong people. Well, they are politicians and small business owners just do not fork up those big donations like big business does. In other words, politicians of both parties are feeding at the slop troth in order to get big bucks for their next election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    Who does the GOP work for? Big Business? Workers? The People?

    Should be obvious:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/46995.html

    Well we got control of the House, so Big Business, tell us what to do!

    Can you get any more blatant? The one thing I do appreciate about Republicans is their brutal honesty in this area.

    You're left/right paradigm is showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lacarnut View Post
    The moron-in-chief has not invited or asked small business leaders for advise. I thought he was going to be up and running on day 1 and that unemployment was going down and hope and change for the GOOD was forthcoming. FYI, small business create about 70% of the jobs so what is this fool in the WH waiting for.
    These aren't small businesses.

    You do have a point in that the Repubs are asking the wrong people. Well, they are politicians and small business owners just do not fork up those big donations like big business does. In other words, politicians of both parties are feeding at the slop troth in order to get big bucks for their next election.
    That's right.

    In my opinion, the Republicans are worse when it comes to this, all of their policies seem to be written by and for big business. They openly and blatantly just ask them what laws to pass. I mean come on.

    At least some Democrats at least pretend to fight against the big guys and support small businesses. Hell even Independent Bernie Sanders supports small business growth and fights tooth and nail against corporate dominance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    You're left/right paradigm is showing.
    I'm talking to a group of people on this forum who complain all day about how the Republicans aren't living up to their ideals but still vote for them every other November. Something has to change. Everyone said that the Tea Party changed the Republican party, they are no longer the old boys club of wall street elites, bankers, and ripe with corruption. Oh no that's not true anymore don't you listen to glenn beck? They support The People now!

    yeah right.

    I've been talking for months about how fascism creeps into societies - when working class people fail to fight for their own interests and the elites co-opt their revolutionary fire and get them to dig their own graves by handing the keys over to an alliance between Big Business and Government - all in the name of 'Capitalism', woops, i mean corporatism, woops again my bad I mean "Freedom".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    At least some Democrats at least pretend to fight against the big guys and support small businesses. Hell even Independent Bernie Sanders supports small business growth and fights tooth and nail against corporate dominance.
    So pretending is better than out right transparency? To me that's even more deplorable. Pretending to be for the little guy, then screwing him over. No, I'm sorry...corporatism and elitism is an equal opportunity business for both parties.
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    I'm talking to a group of people on this forum who complain all day about how the Republicans aren't living up to their ideals but still vote for them every other November
    That's part of the game.

    Make em hate the other guy......win the election and feign inability to take action because of said party or A,B, C reason.....screw your constinuency and blame it on A,B, C reason.........then lose election to other guy.......repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wei Wu Wei View Post
    These aren't small businesses.



    That's right.

    In my opinion, the Republicans are worse when it comes to this, all of their policies seem to be written by and for big business. They openly and blatantly just ask them what laws to pass. I mean come on.

    At least some Democrats at least pretend to fight against the big guys and support small businesses. Hell even Independent Bernie Sanders supports small business growth and fights tooth and nail against corporate dominance.
    I could care less what some jack-leg House member wrote. Never heard of him. What I do know is that Obama has not included small business owners in any meetings that I am aware of. The ones that create 70% of the jobs. Are you with me so far Sparky? Obama and the Democrats have created uncertainty in the market place for the last 2 years. That is why unemployment has risen so high. Obama does not have a clue when it comes to economics and creating jobs with incompetent fools like Uncle Ben and Larry Summers at the helm. Summers recently left but he was in favor of another trillion dollar stimulus. Good riddance to this academic screwball.
    Talk is cheap. Obama and the Democrats bail out the big banks, bail out the big Unions, bail out GM, Bail out AIG, bail out the States. Yep, Democrats are just as eager to slop at the money trough of big business as the Republicans are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molon Labe View Post
    So pretending is better than out right transparency? To me that's even more deplorable. Pretending to be for the little guy, then screwing him over. No, I'm sorry...corporatism and elitism is an equal opportunity business for both parties.
    but you admit that both parties are shit. party politics is useless if neither party represents the People.


    pretending isn't necessarily better than out right transparency (and I don't consider the GOP to be totally transparent), this is why I said I appreciate that the Republicans are pretty honest about serving corporate elites. That doesn't mean I like it.


    One benefit from the Democrats pretending to represent the little guy is that sometimes they actually have to pass some bills as lip service. Sometimes they actually end up doing a thing that helps some people, if for no other reason than compromise. The Democrats let a few good things through in order to maintain their image as a party of the little guy, but I know better than that.

    The republican party does it's fair share of lying about their ideals, look at how many working class people absolutely support the Republican party 100%, believing that some multi-millionaire talking to him on the radio reflects his "core values". please.
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    I am not saying that if regualtions were cut or realigned that businesses would fall over themselves to hire more people but only a total fool would believe that all of crap the government throws on a business encourages hiring.

    If people need to work to provide for themselves and their families, then there have to be businesses to employ them or they have to employ themselves.

    There also has to be businesses to create product and place that product on the market. The problem is how to differentiate between "good" businesses and "bad" businesses regardless of the size.

    I have said before that I do not believe that any business in this country is "too big to fail" and I won't retreat on that statement. If a business fails, someone will step in to replace it.
    Will it hurt some people? Absolutely.

    I'm know that there were tremendous economic repercussions as the car replaced horses and railroads as a means of transportation. Some buggy makers folded. Some adapted to the new market potential and created their own auto companies. Ranches and feed supply companies went under and were replaced by factories and the fuel industry.

    And we not only survived, but thrived as a result. It is typically only when government gets involved in the business of business that things go to hell.

    It is governmental policy that makes it cheaper to outsource production because most companies are owned by their stock holders and those people expect a return on their investment and risk.
    It is when the government either insulates or magnifies the risk through policy measures that the natural course is altered and that is when we see the larger cyclical swings that are more common now than in the past.
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