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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanicus View Post
    you will do as I say.
    Not quite. You have it exactly the wrong way round, in this particular instance.

    Here, have a couple of weeks on us (or more correctly, away from us) to ask yourself what it is that motivates you to come to CU and get beaten up time after time. You can thank me later (on or after 1/22, so my banning console is telling me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by hampshirebrit View Post
    Not quite. You have it exactly the wrong way round, in this particular instance.

    Here, have a couple of weeks on us (or more correctly, away from us) to ask yourself what it is that motivates you to come to CU and get beaten up time after time. You can thank me later (on or after 1/22, so my banning console is telling me).

    Please do try to be a little more civil when you return. You'll find it works wonders if you're trying to make serious points.
    Please please please do not let him return. I will be eternally grateful if you don't let that troll back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Please please please do not let him return. I will be eternally grateful if you don't let that troll back.
    But he's so bad at trolling! It's like a plumber that can't solder, or a carpenter that can't measure. Don't you find that at least a little bit humorous?
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    He dines so often at the fececs filled trough of liberalism that he is septic. His acorn sized brain is diseased. It is unfair to have a battle of wits with a half wit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malloc View Post
    But he's so bad a trolling! It's like a plumber that can't solder, or a carpenter that can't measure. Don't you find that at least a little bit humorous?
    I would prefer to battle it out with Wei. At least Wei has a brain. Reading one of Stanc's post lowers your IQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I would prefer to battle it out with Wei. At least Wei has a brain. Reading one of Stanc's post lowers your IQ.
    Agreed.
    "In England a king hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which in plain terms, is to impoverish the nation and set it together by the ears. A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain! Of more worth is one honest man to society and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived."
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    Quote Originally Posted by hampshirebrit View Post
    Not quite. You have it exactly the wrong way round, in this particular instance.

    Here, have a couple of weeks on us (or more correctly, away from us) to ask yourself what it is that motivates you to come to CU and get beaten up time after time. You can thank me later (on or after 1/22, so my banning console is telling me).

    Please do try to be a little more civil when you return. You'll find it works wonders if you're trying to make serious points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanicus View Post
    The first statistics are coming in and, to the surprise of a great many, Obamacare might just be working to bring health care to working Americans precisely as promised.

    The major health insurance companies around the country are reporting a significant increase in small businesses offering health care benefits to their employees


    http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/20...ks-to-obamaca/

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    Any one bother to go to that link? You will learn several things about it from the discussion in the visitors section of the article.

    1. The author is an attorney. Has nothing to do with HC at all.

    2. He used data that can not exist to back up his assertions.

    “And as the facts reveal, this market has indeed grown based on the evidence provided and by a healthy increase year over year since the passage of Obamacare.”

    Obamacare was signed into law on March 23, 2010. Where does he get his year-over-year (YOY) evidence?

    3. Pointed out in the discussion.

    The author is trying to point out that all Insurance companies are seeing growth in new clients. But uses a very small selection to make this claim. And chooses to not use any in Ca. The state he resides in for a reason.

    In addition, fails to mention that the health insurance markets are contracting. Therefore, there are fewer carriers available. This is a more viable cause of an uptick of new clients from the carriers still operating in the markets where contraction of providers is occurring.

    The whole article is poorly written, no stats to back up any of its claims, and full of assertions that can not be backed up with hard evidence.

    Another Satance copy and paste without checking on what was provided first.
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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...749608830.html
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    For a variety of reasons, this tally doesn’t remotely reflect the bill’s real ten-year costs. First, it includes 2010 as the initial year. As most people are well aware, 2010 has now been underway for some time. Therefore, the CBO would normally count 2011 as the first year of its analysis, just as it counted 2010 as the first year when analyzing the initial House health bill in the middle of 2009. But under strict instructions from Democratic leaders, and over strong objections from Republicans, the CBO dutifully scored 2010 as the first year of the latest version of Obamacare. If the clock were started in 2011, the first full year that the bill could possibly be in effect, the CBO says that the bill’s ten-year costs would be $1.2 trillion.

    But even that wouldn’t come close to reflecting the bill’s true costs. The CBO projects that over the next four years, less than two percent of the bill’s alleged “ten year” costs would hit: just $17 billion of the $940 billion in costs that the Democrats are claiming. In fact, the costs through President Obama’s entire presidency, should he be reelected, would be $336 billion. What would the president leave behind for his successor? According to the CBO, he would leave behind costs of $837 billion during his successor’s first term alone. If his successor were to serve a second term, he or she would inherit a cool $2.0 trillion in Obamacare costs — about six times its costs during Obama’s own tenure. This legislation is a ticking time-bomb.

    To see the bill’s true first-decade costs, we need to start the clock when the costs would actually start in any meaningful way: in 2014. The CBO says that Obamacare would cost $2.0 trillion in the bill’s real first decade (from 2014 to 2023) — and much more in the decades to come.

    But $2.0 trillion wouldn’t be the total ten-year costs. Instead, that would merely be the “gross cost of coverage provisions.” Based on earlier incarnations of the proposed overhaul, the total costs would be about a third higher (the exact number can’t be gleaned from the CBO’s analysis, which is only preliminary and is not a full scoring) — making the total price-tag between $2.5 and $3 trillion over the bill’s real first decade.
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    The accounting gimmicks are legion, but we'll pick out a few: It uses 10 years of taxes to fund six years of subsidies. Social Security and Medicare revenues are double-counted to the tune of $398 billion. A new program funding long-term care frontloads taxes but backloads spending, gradually going broke by design. The law pretends that Congress will spend less on Medicare than it really will, in particular through an automatic 25% cut to physician payments that Democrats have already voted not to allow for this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanicus View Post
    FAIL.

    If Obamacare bothered you , then you would have at least brought it up before Obama came to office , perhaps even before Bush or Reagan came to office.
    All Federal employees have government healthcare. Reagan worked to reduce the number of federal employees. Conservatives want to reduce the number of federal emlpoyees. So it has been brought up.

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