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    You can't make this idiocy up.

    From the Harvard Crimson http://www.thecrimson.com/writer/120...asubramanian/:

    By Janani Balasubramanian
    Published: Thursday, February 03, 2011

    I am a junior at Stanford University and an officer of Stanford Students for Queer Liberation. I am frustrated and appalled by the rhetoric displayed in The Crimson’s Staff editorial “The Return of ROTC” published on January 31. As an advocate for civil rights, our organization is working against ROTC’s return to Stanford and against President Obama’s rallying cry for reinstituting the program across the nation.

    The Crimson Staff first lauds the repeal of DADT and uses the now ostensible openness of the military as justification for ROTC’s return. In almost the same breath, The Staff points out the continued military exclusion of transgender and intersex people (though actually using the disparaging term "transgendered"), and then declares that this de jure discrimination should not be sufficient grounds for keeping ROTC away. To me, this is a huge logical hole. If discrimination against lesbian, gay, and bisexual servicemembers was a barrier, explicit exclusion of another identity group protected by Harvard and Stanford’s own respective non-discrimination policies should also be a barrier. Along those lines, if the excluded group were a racial minority, would this discourse be as defiantly pro-ROTC?

    The Staff posits that the trans/intersex discrimination issue was not discussed until after DADT was repealed. No doubt, mainstream LGB (not T) organizations have been uncritically excluding transgender politics from the public discourse on DADT, but the National Center for Transgender Equality and other queer and transgender advocacy groups have been discussing these issues of access and discrimination. We should be questioning our unawareness of the transgender student exclusion issue.

    The Staff also theorizes that Harvard failing to bring back ROTC risks a loss of credibility to administrators who promised ROTC would return after DADT. Schools like Harvard and Stanford do indeed have the ability to engage their communities in nuanced, self-critical dialogue. We, at both Harvard and Stanford, recognize that gender identity is more than a token addition to our non-discrimination policies. We can ask administrators to state that they were previously incognizant or unsympathetic to the institutional discrimination against transgender students, but that this argument is a compelling reason to uphold our investments in equal opportunity and oppose ROTC.

    I ask that all universities considering ROTC, but especially those like Harvard and Stanford who possess huge cultural capital, issue statements opposing the program in support of their transgender students. Several of us at Stanford are working with queer and transgender advocacy groups like the NCTE, and they have explicitly stated that such statements would indeed have significant positive impact for their work in the area of military discrimination. This is not merely a “queer agenda,” however, but a problem that behooves attention from us all as students opposed to de jure discrimination in favor of civil rights.

    Janani Balasubramanian

    Palo Alto, Calif.

    Jan. 31, 2011

    Janani Balasubramanian is a junior at Stanford and an officer within the Stanford Students for Queer Liberation.

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    Anyone young enough to qualify for ROTC is too young to be making permanent decisions regarding sex change operations, as we are talking generally about college students under the age of 30.


    Then again, I believe anyone who wants a doctor to change their body in such a dramatic way is mentally unstable. Plus, I think anyone over 30 who considers himself to be a bi-sexual is either afraid of a commitment or suffers from nymphomania or priapism, depending on gender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Anyone young enough to qualify for ROTC is too young to be making permanent decisions regarding sex change operations, as we are talking generally about college students under the age of 30.


    Then again, I believe anyone who wants a doctor to change their body in such a dramatic way is mentally unstable. Plus, I think anyone over 30 who considers himself to be a bi-sexual is either afraid of a commitment or suffers from nymphomania or priapism, depending on gender.
    It's hard enough to be a competent heterosexual. Bisexuality is just too much work. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Anyone young enough to qualify for ROTC is too young to be making permanent decisions regarding sex change operations, as we are talking generally about college students under the age of 30.

    Then again, I believe anyone who wants a doctor to change their body in such a dramatic way is mentally unstable. Plus, I think anyone over 30 who considers himself to be a bi-sexual is either afraid of a commitment or suffers from nymphomania or priapism, depending on gender.
    You say nymphomania as if it were a bad thing.
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    It's hard enough to be a competent heterosexual. Bisexuality is just too much work. :p
    Plus, it doubles your chances for rejection. :D
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    Just go away already freaks. :mad:
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    Nah...didn't see this coming a mile away.

    My opinion on the repeal of DADT is that it never was about letting gays serve openly. They pratcially do anyway under DADT. The repeal was/is symbolic.

    What the Gay "rights" advocates have done is created a back door way (no pun intended) to force all 50 states to recognize gay "marriage".

    There's a whole laundry list of stuff I forsee those of us in uniform have to be forced to accept in the near future.
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    Deborah Samson Gannett (December 17, 1760 - April 27, 1827[1]), better known as Deborah Sampson, was an American woman who impersonated a man in order to serve in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, and was the only woman to fight in the Revolutionary War.[2] She served 17 months in the army, as "Robert Shurtleff", of Uxbridge, Massachusetts, was wounded in battle and discharged honorably at West Point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Deborah Samson Gannett (December 17, 1760 - April 27, 1827[1]), better known as Deborah Sampson, was an American woman who impersonated a man in order to serve in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, and was the only woman to fight in the Revolutionary War.[2] She served 17 months in the army, as "Robert Shurtleff", of Uxbridge, Massachusetts, was wounded in battle and discharged honorably at West Point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Deborah Samson Gannett (December 17, 1760 - April 27, 1827[1]), better known as Deborah Sampson, was an American woman who impersonated a man in order to serve in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, and was the only woman to fight in the Revolutionary War.[2] She served 17 months in the army, as "Robert Shurtleff", of Uxbridge, Massachusetts, was wounded in battle and discharged honorably at West Point.


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    That doesn't tell me that she was transsexual or transgender, merely that she wanted to be a soldier and her gender prohibited that, so she put on a disguise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Deborah Samson Gannett (December 17, 1760 - April 27, 1827[1]), better known as Deborah Sampson, was an American woman who impersonated a man in order to serve in the Continental Army during the American Revolution, and was the only woman to fight in the Revolutionary War.[2] She served 17 months in the army, as "Robert Shurtleff", of Uxbridge, Massachusetts, was wounded in battle and discharged honorably at West Point.


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