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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    That doesn't tell me that she was transsexual or transgender, merely that she wanted to be a soldier and her gender prohibited that, so she put on a disguise.
    Merely pointing out that before gang showers and open toilets became central to military training, plumbing apparently was less important than patriotism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Merely pointing out that before gang showers and open toilets became central to military training, plumbing apparently was less important than patriotism.
    Apparently not, since she had to hide her personal plumbing in order to serve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockntractor View Post
    Irrelevant.
    How about flipping the presumption of excellence. Around here and elsewhere, there is a trend to pit whatever is being criticized against a best case scenario of what is being supported. In reality every white heterosexual biological male is not superior to everyone else.

    Part of the concept of diversity is that different people bring different aptitudes. Sometimes you need a big strapping Viking, and sometimes you need a little gymnast. Hell, you might even find that you have a use for someone with the strength of a man in a perfect size five cocktail dress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    How about flipping the presumption of excellence. Around here and elsewhere, there is a trend to pit whatever is being criticized against a best case scenario of what is being supported. In reality every white heterosexual biological male is not superior to everyone else.
    And neither is every self righteous gay who thinks the world owes them something more than the rest of us or some little boy in a dress wishing he'd been norn a girl who thinks he needs to be in the military.

    How about posting something relavent to the discussion instead of a strawman that has nothing to do with Transgenders somehow thinking they are entitled to serve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygirl View Post
    Apparently not, since she had to hide her personal plumbing in order to serve.
    Which she could because soldiers didn't spend a lot of naked time together back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txradioguy View Post
    And neither is every self righteous gay who thinks the world owes them something more than the rest of us or some little boy in a dress wishing he'd been norn a girl who thinks he needs to be in the military.

    How about posting something relavent to the discussion instead of a strawman that has nothing to do with Transgenders somehow thinking they are entitled to serve.
    You have a perceptual disorder, and it's tiresome. I didn't say that transgendered people have a right to serve. I was talking about the possibility that they could serve and be an asset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    You have a perceptual disorder, and it's tiresome. I didn't say that transgendered people have a right to serve. I was talking about the possibility that they could serve and be an asset.
    Yet you ignore or poo-pooh away the probability that they will be a nuisance or the complete absense of a reason to change the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonwitch View Post
    Anyone young enough to qualify for ROTC is too young to be making permanent decisions regarding sex change operations, as we are talking generally about college students under the age of 30.


    Then again, I believe anyone who wants a doctor to change their body in such a dramatic way is mentally unstable. Plus, I think anyone over 30 who considers himself to be a bi-sexual is either afraid of a commitment or suffers from nymphomania or priapism, depending on gender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Merely pointing out that before gang showers and open toilets became central to military training, plumbing apparently was less important than patriotism.
    Okay, so we get rid of showers and toilets to accomodate your pet interest group. Funny thing, though, before we had modern plumbing, the ratio of deaths by disease to deaths caused by combat was 2:1. In the Civil War, when your example served, the numbers were:

    Union:
    Battle deaths: 110,070
    Disease.: 250,152
    Total 360,222

    Confederate:
    Battle deaths: 94,000
    Disease: 164,000
    Total 258,000

    What diseases killed the most? Dysentary, Typhus, Typhoid, Malaria, Cholera, even plague... all diseases that are related to hygiene issues. What eliminated those diseases? indoor plumbing, elimination of standing open water, modern sanitation facilities, sewage treatment, regular showers, in short, all of the benefits of gang showers and toilets. But, what's a few thousand deaths per division in the face of the civil rights of a few people who can't live with the genitals that they were born with, or who are attracted to their own sex?

    Do you begin to grasp just how ignorant you are, Nova, and how little you know about the military and its history, or how much damage your prescriptions will cause if implemented? Is anything sinking in here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel Yell View Post
    Alright, you're gonna get hauled into the Dome.;)
    This normally would have caused this reaction.

    Followed by this.
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